You don't remember calling Matt spedboy among other names? lol.. Manic much?

 

I would say they need to research because if they did, then they would know a cam upgrade is almost pointless unless you have a turbo to keep up with the engine...

 

What I don't get is that you started off posting graphs of the early accomplishments, did you not? Now that the testing is done and you're bringing the product to market you refuse to show anything. You guys want to stand on the "variables" argument but it doesn't really hold water. You constantly use your vehicle as an example of what can be done. In fact, it would stand to reason that if anyone replicated it they should be awfully close to the same results, give or take a few percentage points. So if you've used the "Matt's Example" to show what's possible up until this point, why stop where you did?

I applaud the 400 plus dyno runs that you've made in search of power, I really do. It shows a commitment to the platform that should be celebrated. If only more companies showed us that much love we might be further along in development then we are now.

 

Not at all. It's already been done if they're making the claims of how much HP a stock motor/stock turbo will make with the upgrade. I'm just asking to see the graphs that support the claims.

 

I remember all of it quite clearly. Are you trying to dig up a dead thread in order to make a real point or just trying to stir things up? I can think of better hobbies.

 

Have you seen ANYONE else with 400+ whp on the stock turbo? NO. /thread yet again. Obviously working...

 

Taken from the product ordering page found here: Cobalt & Ion ---> ZZ Performance

"If you’re car is not far from stock and you have a stock tune, this combo will net you approximately 100 horsepower. Much of this comes from the tune where we can increase turbo output."

100 HP is worthless to someone with a stock motor that doesn't want to invest $4K+ on a turbo upgrade?

 

I still don't get your point. What is this in reference to again?

 

You said the Kappa guys have trouble reaching 300whp, people on this forum have reach 350+ and now ZZP topped it all with over 400whp. Those results aren't self explanatory?

 

The request has been answered and we'll answer it to any customer who is wondering. Is it a better way to go than changing the turbo? depends on your needs. That's why you ask ZZP and we discuss it. HP gains have been given of 100HP from stock to this kit. Need to see the dyno, too bad I guess. Come here with a stock car, we'll dyno before and after and if we don't produce demod and refund the money.
It's in refernce to our discussion where you posted 369WHP with all your mods and claimed that your setup was
working. A good dyno number means your parts are working and poor one means they are not. Get it?

If a car puts down 400WHP with the stock turbo, it's clearly got some bad ass parts on it. Do you disagree or not understand this?

Specifically you have an upgraded turbo, ported head, and many mods. 369WHP means your parts are not working. In fact no one has posted such a low dyno number with similar mods.
Matt had a stock turbo with all ZZP parts and did 400+WHP. That means his parts are working better than anyone else.

 

I share plenty of numbers with others. In fact, I've emailed and PM'd a few people just today with HP estimates for their particular application and how they can plan accordingly.

 

so you want them to back up their approximation when it is already well established that a tune alone typically given 60-80whp? ...effectively bitching that they aren't providing 'proof' that porting the head and a set of cams will add roughly 30 more horses?
is that really your whole concern here?

edit: i just really dont see why you are doing this. Why not call them? no one here is taking your side on your opinions of what ZZP "should" be doing, so why make it public and take criticism from everyone watching such as myself?

IMO this happens when you try and degrade the reputation of the company that you insist on publicly raising doubts about. Why else would you make a thread on it...so others can see? Seems to me others have been seeing fine, and none are agreeing with your logic

 

...implying that I have not been? Your perception must be quite skewed if you feel that you are the one maintaining civility around here.

 

This guy is still getting all bent outta shape about a damn ported head...jezz ban this guy already

 

Sort of. I'm not going to put the stock IC, charge tubes, and intake on just to perform this test. Since the chance of someone doing a ported head as their first mod is almost zero, it would not be worth the time and effort to test that combination.

 

I didn't make that statement. It was made by Kelu actually.

You mean the build I referred to as NOT working right? The build that still has bugs to work out but still put down 403hp/355tq? The build that made those numbers with a hurt turbo? That build? I guess you really are worried about it if you can't stop talking about it.

 

You should test with 87 octane because some people like to save money.

 

So, again we come to this. If the car WASN'T working properly why would you post info to help someone's ported head thread? Clearly it didn't help and the rest is paper racing say what it could do. Back to thread #1 now lol.

 

So then where did the 100hp number come from? There must be a graph that exists somewhere that shows it.

 

win.

 

And maybe he should continue to test with 110 octane cause that's how most guys drive on the street too.

 

See post 41

 

Tell you what. You point out a claim that we made regarding these cams/heads/tune that you don't believe to be true. I'll put up $1000 against yours and provide the dyno to check on. That way we can both be held acountable to claims. Words are cheap and I'm not going to spend money defending against what you can do for free. So put up or shut up.

 

Do you really not know what the average stock ss/tc will put down on a dyno?

 

I'm not the one that has anything to prove here but if you care to be the first person to post results on this thread, don't let me stop you