ZZP tune or Trifecta
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if you do the mail order tune that trifecta sends you their "datalogger", ask them if it comes with a hookup for a wideband so that they can read your a/f ratio when they're "tuning".
they base their tune on fuel trims and adjust from their. they don't account for pe.
can they make large amounts of hp with their "tune's". sure. anybody with any basic knowledge can do that.
can they make a tune safe and reliable? i wouldn't trust it in my car that's for damn sure.
as i said, for what it is, i suppose it's effective. but it is in no way even close to dyno tuning or real street tuning.
they base their tune on fuel trims and adjust from their. they don't account for pe.
can they make large amounts of hp with their "tune's". sure. anybody with any basic knowledge can do that.
can they make a tune safe and reliable? i wouldn't trust it in my car that's for damn sure.
as i said, for what it is, i suppose it's effective. but it is in no way even close to dyno tuning or real street tuning.
yes the number of posts means something....if you havent been on here long enough to post more than you have then you obviously kno nothing about these cars....to understand something you have to observe and ask questions about it and go through trial and error, you cant just wake up one morning and understand everything there is to know about cobalts....or tuning for that matter
get real buddy
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If you would like some custom changes to a ZZP file, contact me. One nice thing about running the ZZP tune is that you can pick up an HP Tuner down the road and make some changes to your existing file. As far as Trifecta tuning, I work with Vince on a regular basis. I'm sure you would be happy with his tune as well.
dude only because you come on here acting like the tune god or something......stop trying to be mr. know-it-all and if you dont know exactly what goes on with some aspect of this site then just do the simple thing and dont post.........yes your opnion is valued, but you need to back your opnion up with facts and details that are known, thanks
this guy is jut pissin off every1 2night lol im trifecta tuned by jorden...and its more than what i thought it would be. and although zzp may be just as good, then therefore its ur own choice. but each one will have there positives and negatives.
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if you do the mail order tune that trifecta sends you their "datalogger", ask them if it comes with a hookup for a wideband so that they can read your a/f ratio when they're "tuning".
they base their tune on fuel trims and adjust from their. they don't account for pe.
can they make large amounts of hp with their "tune's". sure. anybody with any basic knowledge can do that.
can they make a tune safe and reliable? i wouldn't trust it in my car that's for damn sure.
as i said, for what it is, i suppose it's effective. but it is in no way even close to dyno tuning or real street tuning.
they base their tune on fuel trims and adjust from their. they don't account for pe.
can they make large amounts of hp with their "tune's". sure. anybody with any basic knowledge can do that.
can they make a tune safe and reliable? i wouldn't trust it in my car that's for damn sure.
as i said, for what it is, i suppose it's effective. but it is in no way even close to dyno tuning or real street tuning.
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If you would like some custom changes to a ZZP file, contact me. One nice thing about running the ZZP tune is that you can pick up an HP Tuner down the road and make some changes to your existing file. As far as Trifecta tuning, I work with Vince on a regular basis. I'm sure you would be happy with his tune as well.
Damn, I guess I'll go for the cheaper one due to the fact if I do find an HPtuner I can get someone to modify ZZP's tune. But at the same time should I? Both routes seem equally good, but I'm not sure what to do
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I had a chance to look at a canned ZZP tune, and I don't get it at all. The DAL table is fine, and they went conservative there. But in other places, it doesn't make sense at all, like timing. I ended up modifying my friend's tune, and he's much happier with the car now.
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im running the zzp ecu right now and have been for over 15,000 miles. i dynoed at 274hp and 339tq here in arizona and have had the car in 115 degree weather and 10 degree weather and i havent had any problems with the car. it runs great, pulls hard and its dependable. i live at 3,000 feet and take it up the mountain here quite often to about 12,000 and still no problems. i would def recommend zzp's tune if your not planning alot of mods and just looking for more power
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im running the zzp ecu right now and have been for over 15,000 miles. i dynoed at 274hp and 339tq here in arizona and have had the car in 115 degree weather and 10 degree weather and i havent had any problems with the car. it runs great, pulls hard and its dependable. i live at 3,000 feet and take it up the mountain here quite often to about 12,000 and still no problems. i would def recommend zzp's tune if your not planning alot of mods and just looking for more power
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The Trifecta cables have an analog input btw... or at least the older one I have does.
If you've got an aftermarket EGT, O2, etc., then you could probably utilize it.
I tried uploading a pic, but it kept giving me an "invalid file" error.
If you've got an aftermarket EGT, O2, etc., then you could probably utilize it.
I tried uploading a pic, but it kept giving me an "invalid file" error.
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so then the datalogger for trifecta does utilize information obtained from the factory wideband on the lnf's? can anyone actually confirm that?
and yes i do apologize, i should have done my research before spouting my mouth off. i figured the other eco's available were like the l61 in the respect that they wouldn't come with a standard wideband.
MY BAD.
and yes i do apologize, i should have done my research before spouting my mouth off. i figured the other eco's available were like the l61 in the respect that they wouldn't come with a standard wideband.
MY BAD.
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so then the datalogger for trifecta does utilize information obtained from the factory wideband on the lnf's? can anyone actually confirm that?
and yes i do apologize, i should have done my research before spouting my mouth off. i figured the other eco's available were like the l61 in the respect that they wouldn't come with a standard wideband.
MY BAD.
and yes i do apologize, i should have done my research before spouting my mouth off. i figured the other eco's available were like the l61 in the respect that they wouldn't come with a standard wideband.
MY BAD.
bold statements like these ^ make me mad like that v
are you retarded? they don't know how to tune? ya, because it's not like they don't look at your logs and adjust accordingly or anything right?
^ disregard it seems like the noob has been told.
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i was simply asking because i suppose i still don't understand how they "tune" an l61, or lsj without wideband readings. i understand the lnf now, it has a factory wideband. great.
no reason for people to continue to get so butthurt over this nonsense. i admitted i was 100% wrong on the lnf tuning.
now i'm just wondering how he tune's without wideband reading's on car's that don't have a wideband.
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I know this is an old thread, I'm sure someone could help me (trying to get some info and ask questions before making a purchase), does this GM stage 1 kit floating around mainly consist of a different resistance MAP sensor and tune (...what else)? I know for boosting ls1's or any n/a gm engine this is the obviously the case, but does the trifecta tune utilize the stock sensors? what bar/how much psi are the stock sensors limited to?
I like the idea of someone else doing the dirty work, especially someone much more experienced. I've been looking for some type of bolt on thread having to do with tuning, what is the limit of these engines/tuning in basically stock form... as in how much power can these things put out with stock turbo/fuel pump (not injectors) and a full array of bolt-ons/tune?
I like the idea of someone else doing the dirty work, especially someone much more experienced. I've been looking for some type of bolt on thread having to do with tuning, what is the limit of these engines/tuning in basically stock form... as in how much power can these things put out with stock turbo/fuel pump (not injectors) and a full array of bolt-ons/tune?
So I've learned a great deal from this site, and I thank you all for your knowledge and opinions. This is my dilemma as of right now. On the 17th of this month I am gonna tune my car. I have a spare ECU coming and that ECU is gonna be tuned either with Trifecta or ZZP. I've learned a lot about Trifecta and HPTuners and this sounds great, I like the "custom" part of it, but I don't know how much "customizing" I'm gonna do. On my desires list is Tune and Lowering springs. Then I'm happy with the car the way it is. It's fast enough and it's sexy enough for my liking. If I do, choose to mod it, it'll probably be exhaust and downpipe, but that's still undecided.
I'm thinking about ZZP because I hear "Canned" tunes are good for stock cars and that's it. A couple of ZZP tune users on this site has stated to me that the fuel trims and air fuel ratios are identical to stock in summer and winter. So If I choose this route I'll be saving $350 not buying the Trifecta cable, $150 if I return the cable. So if I don't do anything else to my car is it worth saving the $150 if not why?
I can also go for the Trifecta "Budget" tune which is also like ZZP's canned tune.
Why would I want Trifecta is I guess what I'm asking if I'm not really customizing anything (parts).
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I'm thinking about ZZP because I hear "Canned" tunes are good for stock cars and that's it. A couple of ZZP tune users on this site has stated to me that the fuel trims and air fuel ratios are identical to stock in summer and winter. So If I choose this route I'll be saving $350 not buying the Trifecta cable, $150 if I return the cable. So if I don't do anything else to my car is it worth saving the $150 if not why?
I can also go for the Trifecta "Budget" tune which is also like ZZP's canned tune.
Why would I want Trifecta is I guess what I'm asking if I'm not really customizing anything (parts).
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