ah, don't be down. Some of us are working on getting **** done. It just takes time.

 

this may happen in a few years, but even then it's still a toss up if it's even worth it. by then, this thread will be in the archive, so someone needs to keep it entertaining while it's here.

 

I doubt it will take a few years. There seems to be a push for it now. I bet if a 1.6L blower that was guaranteed to break 400whp on a stock longblock was released as a $2k bolt-on, it would sell big.

 

I'd ditch my TVS and jump on it...

 

you're not getting 400whp bolt on supercharger for $2000. just being realistic

unless of course you can get a magical supercharger with 100% efficiency and 0 parasitic loss lol

 

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just saying that if a blower came out that could break 400whp for $2k, then a lot of people would jump on it.

I'm not trying to be unrealistic either. It's really just the right blower hasn't been made yet. Something that moves alot of air, but not soo much air that it heat stacks.

It may take porting the head no matter what, but if there is a way to avoid that, it would be great.

 

Ignore the close minded people on this site man.

 

i'm not close minded, i'm being realistic. you are not going to physically double the power output on this car by bolting on a supercharger. that's near a 100% increase. if there was such a magical supercharger that neared 100% efficiency, it would make that company the #1 supercharger manufacturer in the world

now if you said that you were looking for a $2000 kit + $3000 worth of mods, then yes i would say that's definitely possible, but you could do more for $2000 less with a turbo

@ ralli, it's not necessarily an issue with heat, it's that it takes alot of power to operate a supercharger. to get 400whp out of a supercharger would mean that it would need to surpass the efficiency of a turbo with the parasitic loss calculated in, and that's simply not going to happen.

why not work with people like area on this and figure out ways to maximize what is already out there instead of just starting new ones? i could only imagine what he could do if he had the financial backing of what is being spent trying to create new systems, and when those new systems come out, you'll be years behind the power curve on the pieces that have already been on the market.

 

I must say this is one of your better posts and suggestions, and it doesnt even involve sarcasim

I feel you have come up with a damn good idea, but Area is so secretive with his knowledge on these cars. I'm sure he is pushing, or is already at 400 whp with one of his "kill" tunes, but he never discloses information on them. It would be cool to see what he could really do with some added funds, and put it to good use to benefit the Cobalt community.

 

he doesn't post about it because there's no one on here he needs to impress, and also, why would he spend his own time and money developing something, only to be stolen by a company so they can profit from his work?

i don't blame or question him even for a split second.

 

yeah the thing is the tvs was made/ based off of a v6. only blower for our cars that are like made for then are the m62 but from the factory it's basically maxed out

 

I'm not looking to be impressed by him or his car.

I'm also not looking for his secrets in tuning either. I could care less.

I just think it would be cool to see what he could do with his car if added funds were given to him. That is all. I never said anything about his own money being used.

 

I'm not backing any of this with my money either. I'm meerly suggesting it to people that are wanting to get into the market (like Kevin McMillan).

I really don't think the blower is going to have to be 100% efficient to make that much power. Turbo swaps have already produced over 400whp, why can't a blower do the same? It doesn't take 3,000 dollars to get the bolt ons and supporting mods for a bigger blower. The same amount of money it takes a turbo car to upgrade all of their bolt ons and supporting mods is about the same price for a blower car. The difference is there is a huge selection of turbos and not very many aftermarket blowers that just bolt on.

Time will tell. Bryan will step in when he feels he needs to. I've seen him almost take the plunge on some products and back out when he felt that product was going south. I've also seen him grab up a product and put out lots of info for everyone to use. I'm sure he'll jump on this if it seems like the right deal.

 

Update from Kevin. He was talking some business deals with Magnuson and brought up the idea of a 1.6ltr blower. They said that there is in face a TVS 1600 that will be shown at SEMA this year. November time frame maybe. So it is possible that at some point next year we could see a 1600 go into production. It just depends on what car it gets produced on. He said there's a huge push for F/I cars in Brazil right now since they have restrictions on engine size and that's the big market for blowers right now. It's a lot like Germany, they tax on engine size as well.

 

sooo there is PROBABLY going to be a 1.6L twinscrew and we won't get to use it? LMAO

 

Not a twinscrew. Another TVS blower. But you might possibly get to use it because they will possibly make new cases or adapter plates that bolt on. Right now it's still too early to tell.

 

so were just gonna get the TVS1650?

 

oh it can, you're just going to need to find a blower that will bolt on and produce 450whp, cause it's gonna take at least 50hp to turn a blower to make that much power. then you will have 400whp unless you have one with better efficiency that a turbo lol

 

possibly. Nothing in stone yet.

 

simple solution, make your car double supercharged to cover the parasitic losses of the first blower.

 

GENIOUS!!!!!!!

problem resolved /thread


but wait... wouldn't that mean it's a compound 3.2 liter blower and we need to make a new thread asking about it?

 

What about a 1.45L roots blower that can be found at any junk yard for $300?

I know its been tried before with simular results to the TVS on premium fuel. But what would b possible with E85 or method injection?

 

I dunno, try it out.

 

ooooohhhhh, how about a leaf blower in the intake? that will cancel out parasetic loss

 

What blower off which car?