guess youve never seen a GTP , or a LS6 chevelle

or a hemi powered super car from the 60's


and my 00 cav , went from a best of 16.0 to a best of 14.66 , with a gm s/c


idiots

 

I think what ever you like... you like. you know and autos have there advantages and dis advantages and ma uals do to.... o and paddles and smg's.. it's just what ever people want and other people should respect that.. not make fun of them because they didn't want a manual or wanted a manual or a paddle or smg or w/e.

 

You know I sat here for about 30 seconds trying to figure out what in the world you meant by that, before I realized you had to legit arguement stated with the information given. More details might help.

 

Manuals can be a pain in the ass for a daily driver...especially in downtown, bumper-to-bumper traffic. That "fun" that everyone talks about really isn't there.

As for purpose built real sports cars, I definitely think a standard transmission is great for that additional "fun" factor as well having "real control" of the car. Mind you, most automatics in those high-end sports cars are just as good as their manual counterparts.

 

If you actually had a clue what you are talking about, you would have realized by now that all the vehicles you listed would have been faster with manual transmissions. Just because they come with an auto doesn't mean its better or faster in that vehicle.

The only time autos are faster is when the engine is so powerful that one could not shift fast enough with a manual, which applies to pro drag cars, and thats about it

 

if an automatic is such a waste of an idea in a sports car then why is Dodge putting autos on the SRT Charger & 300C? Those cars are low 13 sec cars.

Why did GM put an auto on the GTP Grand Prix? Those aren't slow.

When cars start pushing out serious power it's almost better to have an automatic so you don't miss a beat. Especially in F/I, the cobalts powered by Chevy that do 7-12 second passes in the 1/4 mile are powered by automatics.

So, again.. do automatics suck? Do some research. Yes I will agree that Manauls are more fun to drive but automatics provide just as many countless advantages.

For everytime you have to shift a gear your wasting a whole second for the tranny to accept your command to go into another gear, automatics do that in half the time but they also in some cases take a drive train loss too. It's all in how you look at it and the application

 

Hey wesman.. what part of nj you live.. man??

 

Does not take a second to pull off a shift in a manual car.

DCX does not offer manuals in their Hemis because they are fools. They have the cash and they would sell some. And they would be quicker and more fun.

Like I said its all about CHOICE. If I wanted the fastest version of a car I should be able to get manual or automatic, period. They is no shame is having a fast automatic.

 

The brand new Jetta GLI's have a manual and auto. tranny choice, the auto is faster in their tests. My

boss has a CLK 55 AMG and lets me drive it now and then, the paddle shifters are no fun I don't like

something that thinks 50% of the ime for me and its just weird without a clutch pedal. Normal auto.

part of the car is fine but paddle shifters don't work for me.

 

My only gripe with the auto Cobalts is the lack of a 5th gear. Get with the program GM!! A 5 speed auto would give much better performance and impoved fuel economy. Why oh why can't GM figure out the 5 speed auto?

 

Yes the automatics do suck.

The GTP's tranny is so weak and fragile. Go take a look over at club gp and do a search for how many guys blew them up.

As for the SRT vehicles. The 5Spd auto that they use is a Mercedes 5Spd pulled from the AMG vehicles. It's not weak like the tranny's that GM uses.

GM tranny's in general incorporate a lot of torque management that limit's engine torque. Why? Because they can't build a tranny to save there life.

 

if GM wanted to build a real tranny they would & COULD. They are not expecting people to push the cars so hard as we keep doing. GM has made some fine transmissions in there time and continue to do so still.. so the trans have limited capablities in some models.

The Corvette automatic tranny i've seen handle over 1,000+HP on stock tranny internals, belts, gears. No problems here.

Camaro trannys although some models were poor others held up to soo much abuse and continue to do so today. I fail to see your point. yes, I understand a small car such as the Cobalt have old technology but the auto's can be built to handle some serious power. Why would halfcent waste his time building a performance automatic if the tranny is junk?

 

The Charger is a 4 door family car - not a performance machine. How many of those will you see at an SCCA meet? ZERO. Also the 300C is a car for gangsters and retired business men, not track day kings.

 

couldn't have said it better myself...thats why i bought an auto LS...too much traffic and i like to drive and drink my coffee in the morning too much to shift lol..when I get an SS though, manual all the way, even if auto is offered

 

I love listening to auto civics with huge fart cans when they slam on the gas, hahahahha.
Oh, that's good fun

 

I don't care if it's faster or slower with an automatic. I just know that I don't want my car to be "mainstream". I've never seen another 3SC on the road, and I like it that way. Putting an auto on it like halfcent said would have definately sold more cars. The fact is that most people in the USA don't want a manual transmission in their car.

 

Hey MoMo - I live in Hackettstown, which is Warren county in Northern NJ. I see you live in Tinton Falls, that about 2 hours away per Google Maps

The reason manufacturers put automatics in vehicles such as the GP GTP and 300C is because they are family sedans. The majority of buyers are looking for an automatic, so it makes no sense for the company to waste money by offering a manual version that nobody will buy. They don't do it from a performance perspective, they do it based on what the market demands.

As I said before, the only time an automatic becomes beneficial is when a vehicle is making so much power that its not humanly possible to shift through the gears fast enough. We're talking like over 800HP here - i.e. NOT street cars. A driver experienced enough with a manual transmission won't miss shifts or shift too slowly, it just takes some skill to master the techniques.

I'll say it once again - automatics are not beneficial from a performance standpoint, in any respect, on street cars. Their torque converters sap up power, they shift slowly in stock form, they get worse fuel economy than manuals, they are more expensive to mod/fix than manuals, most are only 4-speeds, they are heavier than manuals, they offer less control than manuals, and most of all they are much less engaging, entertaining, and satisfying to drive compared to the same vehicle equipped with a manual transmission. I don't see how you can claim an auto is better on a street car from any perspective, just look at the facts

 

I agree with the first paragraph. But it also matters if the manual trans on a car is any good. By that I mean that all are not equal. Honda/Toyota has built great manual transmissions/cluthces. They are very, very smoot and easy to modulate.

I see more import cars that are manuals that are standard then domestics.

I find GM FWD trans in old GM cars suck. They are real jerky unless you concentrate alot.
The New Getrag in the Coblat is great though.

GM built 5 speeds in 91-93 (est) 3.4L DOHC V6s in Lumina Z34s, Grand Prixs GTPs and Olds Cutlass Supremes. Very, very low production numbers. Less then 10% easy. Not cost effective to do it and the press bitched about them. Just adding another point here.

But your second paragraph makes no sense to me. Why does it matter if a car has 800hp or 80hp on how fast you can shift it??

I have driven trucks with 300hp and 800-900lbs ft of torque and I can rip though the gear real fast---no clutch either.

In my mind the only thing that makes 800hp hard to drive on manual is that when shifting gears under hard accleration is the drive line lurch and smoking the tires. Autos are smoother and put down power easier. Autos are great for consistency when drag racing but don't take much skill.

 

I'll explain. Its not so much a matter of how fast you can complete each shift, but how rapidly you can shift through all the gears without stopping The reason being that cars with huge amounts of power (like pro drag cars) accelerate so quickly that its not possible to keep up with the tach. After each shift, milliseconds later the engine is right at the redline again. An automatic trans setup will shift instantaneosly and accurately, keeping the engine on the boil, whereas a human driver wouldn't be able to keep up with the engine's speed

Hope that helps.

 

Explained much better--makes sense

 

Choice is good....

 

don't pro dragster cars only have one gear anyway?

 

well, seeing that this is my first post, and its gotten alot of posts, id just like to say this, to try and cool down the arguemtn and make it alittle more clear as to what my question was.

this post, espicially the first half points out what i was going to say but didn't. for the sake of drving in town in traffic auto is much better. so i was wondering if you can maybe get an ss/sc and put in an after market setup to make it auto. but as i was reading your comments i get the idea that that would defete the main purpose of having the SC in the first place.

i appriciate all the coments it helped alot. thnx guys

 

Nope. Most actually have 4 speed trannys.

 

I'm sure it could be done, there's none available for the SS/SC right now but for what it would cost to do the conversion in parts and labor, you would be TONS of money ahead to buy the 2.4 naturally aspirated SS auto and would probably have enough money left over to put mods on to make it about as fast as an SS/SC if not faster.

I think that's basically what you were asking?