YES thats most likely what im going to do, now i have another question. can i get the ss/sc wing on the 06 SS or can i just get the small lip spoiler? i know i can but the wing seperatly and intall it but can i get the large wing from the factory on a SS non-SC?

 

I'm sure you can, if nothing else, have the dealer install it before you pick up your car. Obviously you'll have to pay the extra $$$ for it, but it can be done.

EDIT: As a side note, test drive a car with both and see how you like the SC wing, it definitely interferes with your vision.

 

I would like to point out that I personally am happy that the people who would not buy an SS/SC because they couldn't get it in automatic, did in fact, not buy an SS/SC. If you are incapable of driving a manual, or would allow that petty fact to deter you from buying the car, I don't think I want you driving the same kind of car as me.

 

GM is not putting a 6 speed auto with paddle/thumb shifting in the c6... and in the gto in 07!

 

It has a performance motor in it. It's an automatic. So the slightly revamped up 6.1L Hemi SRT-8 isn't a performance car? Dodge built it for performance, not for hauling kids.

300C is also a perfectly fine car. Can't hate Dodge for making a nice fast sedan. Hell stock SRT-8 300C can run low 13's all day consistantly. So there not built for performance then? Even the regular 300C can get mid to upper 13's but I guess that's not performance...

 

Yeah they break all the time. I know a guy with a M3 that has nothing but trouble with it.

 

Hemi = Fill Er up

5.7 is like 25 MPG and the 6.1 is 20 MPG (Hiway).
5.7 is like 17 MPG and the 6.1 is like 14 MPG (City).

With numbers like that you know it needs a high performance fuel pump

Go Cobalt !!! I get 32 MPG Hiway with my SS/SC and about 26 city.

Also VAMP was commenting about SCCA meets and I am right there with him you aren't seeing those cars at a road/auto-x event. I am happy they go fast at the 1/4 mile track.

 

Nobody's hating on Dodge or the Hemi, but the fact of the matter is that the 300C/Magnum/Charger were not built with performance in mind. They are family sedans that have been modified for performance by Chrysler's SRT division, hence the reason they come in automatic only. Sure they are fast, but the reason they are available only with automatic is because that's the transmission used on the other models. If the other models were available with a manual, I'm sure thats what the SRT-8's would be offered with.

Bottom line is that the 300C/Magnum/Charger don't have automatics to benefit performance, the have automatics because thats what the car comes standard with.

 

WRONG. They have one reverse gear, and forward motion is accomplished by direct clutch engagement. Pro Stock cars have 4 forward gears though And most other Sportsman type cars have either a 2 speed powerglide or 3 speed TH400/350's.
I bet if the SS/SC was availabe in auto, there would be alot more cars with better 60's and better 1/4 ET's, maybe even a 13 second showroom stock car or two. But it looks like we'll never know, because the SS/SC is just too "performance oriented" to have an automatic transmission

wesman, youre arguments are semi valid, but weak at the same time. More street races and legit track races would be won by SC'ers if they were available in automatic and people bought them. A car doesnt need 800hp to need an automatic. No car "needs" one. Theyre just preferable when going fast in a straight line like 97% of us do is of utmost importance. Cause honestly, who street races in the twisties?

 

Can't say I agree with you there buddy. There's a reason performance vehicle are primarily offered with manual transmissions, and its not because they offer less performance than an automatic - that would be contradictory.

Like I said before, manuals are always better on performance vehicles until you get to the point where its not humanly possible to shift fast enough. Drag cars need only apply, because no street vehicle is that fast.

Lets think about it: What's more efficient, transmitting power directly to the wheels through a clutch and gearbox, or transmitting power to the ground through an inefficient torque converter fluid coupling, that has no direct connection, and then through a planetary gearset that shifts much slower than even an inexperienced driver can shift stock. Bottom line is no stock Torque converter based automatic will ever exceed the performance of a manual transmission in the same car with similar gears - because torque converters use no direct connection to transmit energy, and as we all know slippage = wasted energy, and wasting energy isn't efficient from a performance, reliability, or fuel economy standpoint. And that is why performance vehicles are prefferred with manual transmissions, there's no argueing the facts.

Then you say "More street races and legit track races would be won by SC'ers if they were available in automatic and people bought them"??
Are you kidding man?? Not only would the SS S/C be much slower with an automatic, but it would sound like ****, get worse fuel economy, be more expensive, put less power to the wheels, be less fun to drive, and be a complete joke in the sport compact market.

That benefits nobody, hence the reason the SS S/C is offered ONLY in manual transmission - just the way it should be.

 

I still say that "manual transmssions in sports cars only" people have some kind of irrational fear about being beat by an auto one cause they can't shift.

What are you die-hards so afraid of? Cause your so defensive that it must beb manuals only

I love manuals but to force someone who wants the fastest version of a model into an manual is just dumb. Some people would just walk away and buy someting else. Chevy would sell more Coblat SS S?C if you could get an auto (alsoa 4 door)

BTW--the fastest Trans Am was an automatic

 

That's not all the way true. because if you look at the magnum and charger commercials you don't see soccer moms taking their kids to practice. or families going to the amusment park with it. What i see in those commercials is they are racing or driving on windy roads. If that's not performance... then i don't know what is.

 

Like i've said i seen some people that shift real well but still get beat by an auto. It just all comes down to .. yea the driver.. but also the car.. b/c not all manuals can beat all autos

 

You are semi correct in your ways of thinking wesman. Yes an automatic is less efficient than a manual, but that does NOT mean that a car equipped with an auto is automatically slower. To think that is just blasphemy. Lets see if I can explain and maybe change your skewed view on automatics.
In a straight line, an automatic car is usually able to get off of the line quicker due to the greater control you have over the power thats being transmitted to the ground. Its usually quicker for the first half of the run as well due to the fact that its shift points are consistent, fast, and impossible to miss. And not to mention the fact that you are always on the gas and never have to lift These factors will usually make an auto car quicker in a race against a similiar car. You also cant forget that the torque convertor multiplies torque, which is biggest action it performs in the first place! From a stop and through 1st and usually 2nd gear, it is able to make the most of the available power, more so than a manual can do through the first couple of gears.
But where the automatic falls short against a manual is in the last half of the race where the car has no traction issues and has a good amount of momentum. And while an auto may be quicker in a race, a manual is definetely faster because of the fact that its in direct connection with the motor and there is no energy being wasted, basically due to the inefficiencies you stated earlier. So I am in agreeance with you on the fact that a manual is going to be faster. Where the manual usually always shines is in a roll with two evenly matched cars, and it will more than likely come ahead unless a shift is missed. But again, you cant miss a shift in an auto
As far as me saying more SS's would win races, that all hails back to the fact I stated earlier of having more control with an auto. You guys have huge problems with wheel hop, which is partly due to the fact that theres alot of torque being directly transmitted to the wheels in an abrubt manner once youre fully on the gas and the clutch fully engaged. So theres a problem right there. You need to slip the clutch alot to not get wheel hop, which wastes alot of energy and does not promote optimum torque transfer to the wheels like an auto car can do. And if you dont slip the clutch enough or in the right part of the RPM range, youre going to either catch and bog and totally mess up the run right from the get go, or youre going to get wheel hop or just spin the tires. And once either of those happens its pretty tough to fix and make a comeback quickly, and then the race is lost. An automatic helps greatly in preventing those problems. You cant bog the motor down, and if you do start to spin, all you gotta do is let off a little bit and you dont have to worry about the motor bogging down and trying to modulate the clutch and gas precisely.
Its all common sense man. If you feel you can prove me wrong, please do so. This is a friendly debate after all Its just that your argument only contains technical facts that dont really mean much. If you dont believe me, check out times for an auto LS1 and a manual LS1. The ET advantage will usually go to the auto, and the trap speed usually goes to the manual. As you said, "theres no arguing the facts"!!

 

Well said.

 

Thanks a bunch, that chewed up a good amount of time from work this morning lol

 

I think they may be partly afraid of it becoming a 'chick car' or 'grocery getter'. The fact that it's manual will deter the non performance oriented people from wanting it. Do you want to see grandma pull up next to you in her ss/sc? or that dumb blond from highschool?

This is why i think the srt4 was also only offered in manual. I'm sure they could have found an auto tranny or maybe built up the one from the regular neon..but they were trying to get away from the 'chick car' image associated with neons.

hopefully you can understand what i'm trying to say (think of a miata).

 

Bottom line is that manual is just better suited to vehicles like the Cobalt SS S/C, end of story. Automatics were invented because lazy Americans didn't feel like shifting their cars themselves, and they serve much the same purpose today. Along the way though someone realized that when you combine a lot of power with a quick shifting automatic, you can run very consistant times on a straight track. However, when you buy a new car with an auto, you are buying a stock , unmodified, slow shifting auto. So they have zero advantages over a manual besides, of course, "less work"

For the last time, let me explain why the Cobalt SS S/C comes in manual and only manual. Lets see: Manuals put more power to the ground, are more durable under hard use, are more fun to drive, get better fuel economy, make the car sound better, weigh less, give the driver more control, allow for heel-and-toe downshifts, and allow the driver to choose the best gear in any situation. And last but not least, as was mentioned, its ensures that non-enthusiasts don't buy the car and ruin its image as well as our insurance rates.

If thats not good enough reason for you, then I don't know what to say, because you've obviously not looking for the type of experience and performance a car like the Cobalt SS S/C offers when you're suggesting it should come with an auto

 

20s actually

 

wesman, it is official that your argument here is weak and unfounded by any pure fact what so ever. I mean c'mon, youre trying to tell me a manual makes a car sound better!?!??! WTF is that about?!?!
And who says an automatic in a Cobalt has to be slow shifting? GM is more than capable of making a stellar automatic to put behind (more like next to ) the LSJ that can shift, maybe something like the 4T60E that I have in my GTP. Nice smooth shifts for daily driving and cruising, and a performance mode with noticeably quicker shifts that happen at more appropriate times during spirited driving. But youre too ignorant to think of something like that, so I guess its a lost cause to even try and explain it to you. I am quite aware of your point that you can have better control with a manual, which is definetely a better suited transmission for any type of track with turns. That Im not going to dispute. But a majority of the racing most SS/SC owners are going to do is in the form of a straight line. So IMHO an automatic wouldnt be a bad thing to have.

Tell me this. Why were f-bodies available in automatics, and why to this day are Corvettes with the exception of the Z06 offered with automatics?? And why are there so many of them that are successful weekend after weekend at the strip? Are you trying to say that the SS/SC offers a better type of experience and perfomance than those cars? Because Im going to go out on a limb here and say thats just rediculous

Fact here is, I win. You lose. Goodnight!!

 

Yea i haven't really seen old grannies or that blonde chick from school.. with an automatic corvette let alone an manual one.

 

please tell me you not comparing an actual sports car to the cobalt

Could it be that...for the price of one vette...you could buy a few buicks???

The cobalt is a sporty economy car thats affordable with room in the back for children and groceries hence why I say having an auto would draw some non preformance oriented people b/c it's while it's the sport model it's also the "top" model. Chevy would shoot itself in the foot considering the 'sporty' image of the ss/sc they want..

yes I know about the auto camaros and vettes for that matter.. the difference..while also slower..It's and automatic sports car..

 

Im not comparing them. I merely asked why if a Corvette or Camaro could be sold with an automatic, why shouldnt an SS/SC be sold with an auto? It wouldnt make someone who would otherwise buy one decide to pass on it just because an auto tranny is an option. Are you guys telling me that there are people on this board who would have said "Eww the SS/SC is available with an auto, I definetely cant buy one of these now!!!" ??? Because I highly doubt thats the case. People dont buy cars based on the types of people that also buy it. If you do, chances are you rode the short bus to school and shouldnt be driving any car to begin with
GM would NOT be shooting itself in the foot if they offered an auto in it. In fact, they would probably sell even MORE cars that and make even MORE money, which is something they desperately NEED.
You guys really have some extremely weak arguments when it comes to this topic, and if youre going to try to debate, atleast have some fact to support your argument. Otherwise, dont bother.

 

Just and idea, I don't know how much the auto can hold from the 2.4 or 2.2 but perhaps chevy didn't have a proper auto tranny for it that could withstand the future upgrade kits? The one person with the 2.2 who is putting a turbo on and has put different internals had to upgrade his tranny. I think he is looking at 300 HP though.

 

I believe the 4T65E heavy duty and even the 4T60E (isnt that whats used right now in automatic cobalts?)tranny would fit behind an ECOTEC and probably fit in the Cobalt if GM really wanted to do it. That all GTP guys have to work with, and they seem to have problems with mainly the differentials and not so much the tranny internals themselves. And I bet there would be a good number of people out there that do alot of street racing and bracket racing with their cars that would buy it for the advantages it offers in such cases. But it wont happen, and if anyone wants it, its going to have to be a custom install.