Bad-Mab Header hath arrived!
Products are built to a price. If this meets your budget and fulfills your expectations it is a great product for you. The fact that they have great customer sevice on top is why so many are interested in this header. Sure the welds could be better but if it adds another $25 per header that might be enough to stop some people from buying it. Shortcuts are always taken in the hidden areas in order to reduce cost. If they bolt up and don't leak they should last a long time.
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Ouch, those welds do look real sloppy, as well as most of the craftsmanship throughout the collector. Though, Staged07SS seemed like he got a good one. Hit or miss it seems. I'm a fan of my OTTP long-tube though, like RooTBeeR.
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). That kid thought he knew it all. He had an LSJ for maybe a year now (if that). He rants and raves about his header that has yet to be proven to make more gains than the shorty header in this thread. I have no problem with people stating information about different styles of headers, but to come in mulitple threads about the Badmab shorty and bash it was uncalled for.In theory a long tube should work best, but that may not be the case for this particular application. Before anyone else trys to start anything, I'm an engineer, and unlike many, I understand fluid dynamics. So I do not need lectures like xxxxsh4d0wxxxx tried to give
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...although i figure my sig is just stating the obvious
I'm glad he is gone (thanks mods ). That kid thought he knew it all. He had an LSJ for maybe a year now (if that). He rants and raves about his header that has yet to be proven to make more gains than the shorty header in this thread. I have no problem with people stating information about different styles of headers, but to come in mulitple threads about the Badmab shorty and bash it was uncalled for.
In theory a long tube should work best, but that may not be the case for this particular application. Before anyone else trys to start anything, I'm an engineer, and unlike many, I understand fluid dynamics. So I do not need lectures like xxxxsh4d0wxxxx tried to give.
). That kid thought he knew it all. He had an LSJ for maybe a year now (if that). He rants and raves about his header that has yet to be proven to make more gains than the shorty header in this thread. I have no problem with people stating information about different styles of headers, but to come in mulitple threads about the Badmab shorty and bash it was uncalled for.In theory a long tube should work best, but that may not be the case for this particular application. Before anyone else trys to start anything, I'm an engineer, and unlike many, I understand fluid dynamics. So I do not need lectures like xxxxsh4d0wxxxx tried to give
. jkk in need to stop thread jacking/whoring this place even tho the thread is pretty much closed
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My header was alil sloppy but its still a great header and there no point in bashing it. It works great, looks great, fits great, price is great, gains are great and customer service is great. So enough bitching lol
Took a second look at mine and it looks more like Staged07SS' header. I like it a lot. Not sure why people are complaining when they don't even own the product. If you don't like it look elsewhere. I would never buy a ZZP mid-length and I can't justify spending so much on a longtube with no proof backing it up. Logically it makes sense but this Bad-Mab header has proven itself. To me the proof speaks for itself.
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Took a second look at mine and it looks more like Staged07SS' header. I like it a lot. Not sure why people are complaining when they don't even own the product. If you don't like it look elsewhere. I would never buy a ZZP mid-length and I can't justify spending so much on a longtube with no proof backing it up. Logically it makes sense but this Bad-Mab header has proven itself. To me the proof speaks for itself.
Again, I don't think anyone who doesn't own one is complaining (well maybe not everyone
). But I definitely don't begrudge anyone for opting for a solid budget oriented product.
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I have the proof I'm just still waiting on smg to send it over
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Your statement was very, er, how do I put this.. Idiotic. ZZP does their homework before they make parts. Much more credibility than Bad-Mab.
It's okay, when someone actually cares enough to dyno their LT, half of this thread will sell their manifold to get a real header.
My $0.02
I'm going to keep my mouth shut after because I would rather have a LT any day, and I could care less what they run really.
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Yeah, I think I'll trust ZZP, seeing as how all of their parts are made in-house. They have a dyno, and they hold the record for the worlds fastest Cobalt(s). Not to mention they probably single-handed have the most parts for the Cobalt.
Your statement was very, er, how do I put this.. Idiotic. ZZP does their homework before they make parts. Much more credibility than Bad-Mab.
It's okay, when someone actually cares enough to dyno their LT, half of this thread will sell their manifold to get a real header.
My $0.02
No, but after reading 5 pages, they like to bash LT setups because they can't afford them, then their reasoning is because their is no "proof". Then when someone comes in here and says something about their budgeting they get mad.
I'm going to keep my mouth shut after because I would rather have a LT any day, and I could care less what they run really.
Your statement was very, er, how do I put this.. Idiotic. ZZP does their homework before they make parts. Much more credibility than Bad-Mab.
It's okay, when someone actually cares enough to dyno their LT, half of this thread will sell their manifold to get a real header.
My $0.02
No, but after reading 5 pages, they like to bash LT setups because they can't afford them, then their reasoning is because their is no "proof". Then when someone comes in here and says something about their budgeting they get mad.
I'm going to keep my mouth shut after because I would rather have a LT any day, and I could care less what they run really.
Why dont you purchase the ZZP long tube, dyno it, and show us the results? Everyone who has bashed the shorty so far are the ones basing their information purely off of theory. Members shouldnt be bashing a product that produces real world numbers. You should be happy that there are options out for our cars. Back in the day (long before you joined) there werent many options for headers. Now we have shorty, mid-length, and long tube headers. As a whole we should be encouraging each others builds, not bashing them, because someone doesnt like a particular mod one chose to use.
On a side note read the LSJ power book, and check out the last chapter. Look closely to the style of header they chose to use on their 300+ engine build.
No one has bashed a long tube header in this thread. The bashing has been towards the shorty header to which this thread is actually about. Trust me, I can afford a long tube, or any header offered for these cars. I do my own research on products, and purchase what I think is best for my paticular setup. I don't follow trends like 90% of the kiddies on this site.
Why dont you purchase the ZZP long tube, dyno it, and show us the results? Everyone who has bashed the shorty so far are the ones basing their information purely off of theory. Members shouldnt be bashing a product that produces real world numbers. You should be happy that there are options out for our cars. Back in the day (long before you joined) there werent many options for headers. Now we have shorty, mid-length, and long tube headers. As a whole we should be encouraging each others builds, not bashing them, because someone doesnt like a particular mod one chose to use.
On a side note read the LSJ power book, and check out the last chapter. Look closely to the style of header they chose to use on their 300+ engine build.
Why dont you purchase the ZZP long tube, dyno it, and show us the results? Everyone who has bashed the shorty so far are the ones basing their information purely off of theory. Members shouldnt be bashing a product that produces real world numbers. You should be happy that there are options out for our cars. Back in the day (long before you joined) there werent many options for headers. Now we have shorty, mid-length, and long tube headers. As a whole we should be encouraging each others builds, not bashing them, because someone doesnt like a particular mod one chose to use.
On a side note read the LSJ power book, and check out the last chapter. Look closely to the style of header they chose to use on their 300+ engine build.
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Its because people like lsj and shadow come into threads and talk about something not related in anyway to the thread.
Example. - this thread.
Cliffnotes
Op purchases a badmab header
People who have purchased and installed the header such as staged and myself put in our own experiences with the header.
Immature members for who knows why after the fact start talking about longtubes in a header thread not related to them. Then get mad and defensive when we back the desicion that the op made.
that's where the bickering comes from and yes it is in needed. But you have to sit back and look at who's doing it
Example. - this thread.
Cliffnotes
Op purchases a badmab header
People who have purchased and installed the header such as staged and myself put in our own experiences with the header.
Immature members for who knows why after the fact start talking about longtubes in a header thread not related to them. Then get mad and defensive when we back the desicion that the op made.
that's where the bickering comes from and yes it is in needed. But you have to sit back and look at who's doing it
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What proof are we talking about? Maybe I missed something but I never saw a before and after dyno sheet on these. The only media I have seen is some pictures showing poor build quality.
Again, I don't think anyone who doesn't own one is complaining (well maybe not everyone ). But I definitely don't begrudge anyone for opting for a solid budget oriented product.
Again, I don't think anyone who doesn't own one is complaining (well maybe not everyone
). But I definitely don't begrudge anyone for opting for a solid budget oriented product.
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No one has bashed a long tube header in this thread. The bashing has been towards the shorty header to which this thread is actually about. Trust me, I can afford a long tube, or any header offered for these cars. I do my own research on products, and purchase what I think is best for my paticular setup. I don't follow trends like 90% of the kiddies on this site.
Why dont you purchase the ZZP long tube, dyno it, and show us the results? Everyone who has bashed the shorty so far are the ones basing their information purely off of theory. Members shouldnt be bashing a product that produces real world numbers. You should be happy that there are options out for our cars. Back in the day (long before you joined) there werent many options for headers. Now we have shorty, mid-length, and long tube headers. As a whole we should be encouraging each others builds, not bashing them, because someone doesnt like a particular mod one chose to use.
On a side note read the LSJ power book, and check out the last chapter. Look closely to the style of header they chose to use on their 300+ engine build.
Why dont you purchase the ZZP long tube, dyno it, and show us the results? Everyone who has bashed the shorty so far are the ones basing their information purely off of theory. Members shouldnt be bashing a product that produces real world numbers. You should be happy that there are options out for our cars. Back in the day (long before you joined) there werent many options for headers. Now we have shorty, mid-length, and long tube headers. As a whole we should be encouraging each others builds, not bashing them, because someone doesnt like a particular mod one chose to use.
On a side note read the LSJ power book, and check out the last chapter. Look closely to the style of header they chose to use on their 300+ engine build.
Its because people like lsj and shadow come into threads and talk about something not related in anyway to the thread.
Example. - this thread.
Cliffnotes
Op was asking what header to buy.
One of the headers considered was badmab.
People who have purchased and installed the header such as staged and myself put in our own experiences with the header.
Op purchases a badmab header
Immature members for who knows why after the fact start talking about longtubes in a header thread not related to them. Then get mad and defensive when we back the desicion that the op made.
that's where the bickering comes from and yes it is in needed. But you have to sit back and look at who's doing it
Example. - this thread.
Cliffnotes
Op was asking what header to buy.
One of the headers considered was badmab.
People who have purchased and installed the header such as staged and myself put in our own experiences with the header.
Op purchases a badmab header
Immature members for who knows why after the fact start talking about longtubes in a header thread not related to them. Then get mad and defensive when we back the desicion that the op made.
that's where the bickering comes from and yes it is in needed. But you have to sit back and look at who's doing it
It's not bashing really. Bashing is just ignorance with both eyes closed, if you get what I mean. There are facts to back up what is being said. Granted ZZP's car is not exactly a DD car that most of us on the forum drive. The proof they gave with their built LSJ race car is better than nothing, right?
And 07Metallic, I read the whole thread. I brought up the LT discussion only because I saw it was discussed by a few others earlier on in the thread. I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with comparison. Right?
I'm no fan-boy by any means. If people enjoy their shorty-header then hell, by all means run it! It would be pretty gay if we all had the same build. No?
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Staged, I have browsed book and yes, I observed what they used, you are correct. But why would ZZP or OTTP use a LT on 500whp LSJ's? I'm not saying I'm right, because obviously we both make good points. I am just saying for the sake of not shutting out other options.
It's not bashing really. Bashing is just ignorance with both eyes closed, if you get what I mean. There are facts to back up what is being said. Granted ZZP's car is not exactly a DD car that most of us on the forum drive. The proof they gave with their built LSJ race car is better than nothing, right?
And 07Metallic, I read the whole thread. I brought up the LT discussion only because I saw it was discussed by a few others earlier on in the thread. I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with comparison. Right?
I'm no fan-boy by any means. If people enjoy their shorty-header then hell, by all means run it! It would be pretty gay if we all had the same build. No?
It's not bashing really. Bashing is just ignorance with both eyes closed, if you get what I mean. There are facts to back up what is being said. Granted ZZP's car is not exactly a DD car that most of us on the forum drive. The proof they gave with their built LSJ race car is better than nothing, right?
And 07Metallic, I read the whole thread. I brought up the LT discussion only because I saw it was discussed by a few others earlier on in the thread. I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with comparison. Right?
I'm no fan-boy by any means. If people enjoy their shorty-header then hell, by all means run it! It would be pretty gay if we all had the same build. No?
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I do not want to make enemies. I come here to extend my knowledge and try to help where I can. It is always good to be aware of all options, right? There are things I have purchased that, had I known about a different product that suited my needs better, I would have bought.You seem to be a nice guy, and with that I will get out of this thread and sorry if I caused, er.. Disturbance. For lack of a better word.
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