who all is running a sleeved block by bates? im just curious who is using on and or opinions on them comparred to darton sleeves.

 

I heard bates f-in up a couple blocks and then not honoring repairs...

 

I know of 3, I think one might be running, after 2 years of work. I'd go Darton

 

yeah i see good and bad things with bates. i spoke with ray bates today over phone and he says he has done alot of people on the forums as well as the race cars.

bates had a good price for sleeves installed but then all the extra stuff he adds on makess it the same as darton. trying to figure out which way i want to go.

 

I dont know about the Bates so much, but I have Darton's in my car and have had no issues.

 

i talked to darton a couple weeks ago, but was at work when they called me back and now havent had any time to call them. what all do they include with the sleeve install...like cleaning and decking the block? idk, what all did they do and if you dont mind saying what it cost?

ive done everything to my car and now everything is getting expensive haha. but i dont mind paying to play

 

I didn't have Darton put them in actually, so Im not much help anymore, lol. I had a friend in a machine shop at the time, so him and I did the work. I can definitely say that you should probably have Darton do it, not just any machine shop.

 

haha yeah, i found your build thread last night.pretty cool. if i did get dartons, i would have darton do it.

 

if you have darton do the work send a new set of pistons with your block so they set the piston to cylnder wall clearance and they will also deck the block

 

Darton.... Bates = hassle...

 

i will call darton monday or tuesday then.

 

Didnt zzp show that the stock block/sleeves with their block girdle could take like 800 wheel?

 

We carry Darton, PM us the part number you wish to get, and we will hook you up.

 

bates sleeves wasnt the issue, it was the specifications he was giving the machine shops. Per his directions he was having the sleeves installed above deck height, thats why so many people had issues it isnt the sleeves themselves

 

any competent machinist can do it just need the right specifications

 

bates also has a custom cometic gasket for doing that

 

it would have had to been a copper crush gasket then like on high boost applications. And to my knowledge the few people that had issues never recieved no special gasket from him

 

This^ They hooked me up with mine... Good people.



And either have Darton do it or a repuatable engine builder.. I went to RWR here in phoenix because they are known for their race engines and have a lot of Drag race engines they do.

Not all shops can do it, they need a special tool to get the sleeves in or align them... I cant remember exactly.

 

no its not copper and to be honest he dosent leave them sticking out as high as u think

 

high enough that with an oem gasket, usually the intake side of the head wont seal right if tightened in the correct sequence order. And then leads to sludge build up under the valve cover on the intake side, contamination and eventually bearing failure

 

well when you replace the stock sleeves with new stock sleeves they stick up and require the block to be milled and again it comes back to people not going back and double checking the work they had done and bates can get you a custom cometic hg for a raised sleeve setup

 

I've got two years and about 25 track days on my Bates built motor. No complaints here.

Your results may vary, past performance does not indicate future performance. etc etc etc...

 

Howbout this... fill the block up with 100% marblesand fill the rest with super glue. and then weld the head on.... LMFAO JK.... But in all honesty get agold of Aaron at ttR.. You wont regret it.. Im sending customers there now and ive not had one incident like i had with some other vendors... TTR FTW!!!

 

My friend Chris (Venom713 in here) got screwed over by BATES. I would PM him so he can explain all the **** that was wrong with it..... and money spent trying to get it fixed. When he talked to Bates they didn't offer to do anything to make it right . I'll send him a link to this thread .

 

thanks for the input. i think ill give ttr a call for some dartons and go with those instead. since i havent heard of any complants with dartons