2.0L LSJ Performance Tech 205hp Supercharged SS tuner version. 200 lb-ft of torque.

Battery relocation

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:15 PM
  #1  
NoBalt123's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: 10-26-06
Posts: 740
Likes: 0
From: South
Battery relocation

Has anyone ever relocated the battery to the engine compartment? I see that there is a box for it, but the battery is in the trunk.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have that heavy battery over the front wheels?
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:20 PM
  #2  
Codyak Supercharged's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: 11-19-06
Posts: 1,411
Likes: 0
From: Orange County CA
electrically it dosnt really matter. The battery dosnt weigh enough to help keep the wheels on the ground.There is no direct reason why to move it.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:23 PM
  #3  
rally's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: 05-23-06
Posts: 11,766
Likes: 0
From: Peoria, Illinois
Its actually somewhat better to have it in the trunk, you can't boil the water in the battery from excessive engine heat.

And where is this battery box in the engine bay??
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:29 PM
  #4  
SS4ME's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 07-13-05
Posts: 3,180
Likes: 0
From: WI
Originally Posted by rallyyellow06
Its actually somewhat better to have it in the trunk, you can't boil the water in the battery from excessive engine heat.

And where is this battery box in the engine bay??
That's what I'm thinking! There are fuses in the box he is thinking of!
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:29 PM
  #5  
D4u2s0t's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: 12-18-05
Posts: 17,838
Likes: 1
From: North Jersey
it's in the trunk mainly because of lack of space... where would you fit it in the engine bay??
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:29 PM
  #6  
monkeiboy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 11-30-06
Posts: 3,505
Likes: 0
From: West Memphis, AR
Are you talking about the junction box that has the jumper terminals on it underneath the hood?
Your battery won't go there.
Show us pics of where your talking about.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:32 PM
  #7  
Codyak Supercharged's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: 11-19-06
Posts: 1,411
Likes: 0
From: Orange County CA
If its not the fuse box, there is a place to put it,, on the passenger side there is a open spot the battery could fit...there is nothing there, under the hood. Its not because of lack of space..atleast on the 2.0
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:37 PM
  #8  
plus2ss's Avatar
New Member
 
Joined: 12-21-06
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
From: st. joseph michigan
Thats were the 2.4 and 2.2 air box mounts to
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:44 PM
  #9  
Pyros777's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: 01-26-05
Posts: 3,418
Likes: 1
From: N/A
Isn't putting the battery in the trunk what most people consider a mod anyway? I wouldn't move it BACK to the engine bay, but I'm sure if someone really wanted to they could do it.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:50 PM
  #10  
plus2ss's Avatar
New Member
 
Joined: 12-21-06
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
From: st. joseph michigan
I like having the battery in the trunk. It was alot cheaper to buy two foot power wires for my subwoofer amp instead of 15 foot wires.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:51 PM
  #11  
NoBalt123's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: 10-26-06
Posts: 740
Likes: 0
From: South
My bad...


I never looked at that box. I just saw the terminals, and figured it was where the battery goes in the 2.2 or 2.4


now I know...


Thanks guys
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:51 PM
  #12  
Smarty Art's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 05-29-06
Posts: 1,084
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania, Greensburg
You want to keep it in the trunk. If you turbo or run meth inj you need the room. Plus it helps balance the car front to rear. If you move it to the front thats a 80lb swing.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 05:52 PM
  #13  
sushidog's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 02-09-06
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
From: Abita Springs, Louisiana
Actually, the further you could move it towards the front the better - at least off the rear bumper. A 40 lb battery located behind the rear axle exerts not only a rear wards inertia force upon acceleration (due to it's mass), but actually a downward component as well - due to its weight (the force of gravity) coupled with the leveraging effect of it being mounted behind the rear axle. Just moving it in front of the axle will help somewhat.

If you really want to get serious, buy a odyssey or dynabatt high-tech battery. An Odyssey pc680 weighs 15.5 lbs (and is big enough to start and run your Cobalt fine). An Odyssey pc925 weighs 26 lbs and is large enough for some stereo reserve capacity too. Either could be mounted under the rear seat. I've actually measured it, and there is plenty of room on either side. The Odyssey is a dry cell, so it doesn't gas, can't leak, and can be mounted in any position. This mid-car battery placement would also shorten the cable run to the front, saving weight and allowing more current flow for high current devices - like my 120amp e-rams. It's been said that 100 lbs in weight savings = .1sec in the 1/4mile this 25lb weight savings, coupled with superior battery placement (traction gains) should improve your 1/4 by about .03sec.

It seems that no one is interested in performance gains unless they can shave 1/4 second or add 10hp. When engineers design a car, they try to save every single ounce they can off of each component. They know that the cululative effect of all these ounces make a measurable difference in performance, mileage, braking - and ultimately retail sales because of these gains. They know that every hp and every lb counts.

By the way if you think .03sec is not very much, if I could save .03 off my 1/4 mile time (by this simple mod) it would make me the quickest 2.4l auto on the board so far. It's the difference between in first place and being the first loser.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 07:20 PM
  #14  
Sorority Demon's Avatar
New Member
 
Joined: 10-23-06
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
From: Antioch, IL
I never got around to weighing it, but I bought this Buddy Club racing spec battery for my Sentra, its about 1/4 the size and 1/2 the weight of a normal battery.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 07:32 PM
  #15  
alleycat58's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 06-08-05
Posts: 18,529
Likes: 1
From: Pittsburgh
Originally Posted by Smarty Art
You want to keep it in the trunk. If you turbo or run meth inj you need the room. Plus it helps balance the car front to rear. If you move it to the front thats a 80lb swing.
Right on, Steve. Not only is the battery in the rear to balance it, it's also on the passenger side to help counter the added weight of the driver.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 07:35 PM
  #16  
rally's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: 05-23-06
Posts: 11,766
Likes: 0
From: Peoria, Illinois
counter weight of the driver.

personally it could benefit you in times of need.

Say your parked in a parking lot and have a dead battery, your surrounded except for the rear. Well it just so happens your battery is in the trunk! BAM! No more dead battery. (if you get a jump of course)

And yes I know you technically shouldn't jump start a battery directly but its rare that it explodes
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 08:34 PM
  #17  
Maxim_X's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 10-14-06
Posts: 2,318
Likes: 2
From: New Bedford, MA
You are forgetting about what weight distrobution is really for, handeling. In simple terms the closer to 50/50, the better the car will handle.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:16 PM
  #18  
sushidog's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 02-09-06
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
From: Abita Springs, Louisiana
Originally Posted by Maxim_X
You are forgetting about what weight distrobution is really for, handeling. In simple terms the closer to 50/50, the better the car will handle.
Yes, you are correct if you are talking about around a road race course and not a drag strip. It all depends on what type of handling performance you are primarily interested in.

There is another concept in road racing called mass centralization. This refers to the very center of the car being the heaviest (most massive) ie. where the engine, tranny, driver and the bulk of chassis mass is located.

Think of the car like a merry-go-round or a gyroscope, pivoting around it's center axis. The less mass located around the peripherals ie. bumpers, wheels, roofline, etc, the less inertia the car will exert on the controls, and the more easily it can change directions. Moving the battery to the center of the car helps in this regard. So would replacing your steel inner bumpers with aluminum replacements, replacing hood and trunk with c/f items, removing the sun roof, replacing glass with lexan, etc. Not only does this save weight, but it contributes to a car with less peripheral mass. This will make the car handle much better on the road or a road course (where the car is used most.)
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 09:20 PM
  #19  
βКˉSuPerCharged's Avatar
New Member
 
Joined: 11-12-06
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
From: Bradenton, FL
That empty space on the passenger side of the engine bay is where your secondary surge tank goes with the stage 3.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
WhineSSbaby
Problems/Service/Maintenance
3
Sep 1, 2020 12:39 PM
Sl0wbaltSS
2.0L LNF Performance Tech
18
Nov 21, 2018 11:11 PM
chefhhr
Complete Cars
7
Oct 26, 2015 10:36 PM
grampss
Complete Cars
0
Sep 27, 2015 08:51 PM
c_m_shooter
South Central
3
Sep 27, 2015 04:40 PM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:50 AM.