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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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anyone here using the CX racing heat exchanger? I have the dual pass +B already. Anyone know how the additional heat exchanger does on a dyno? It should add HP seeing that the computer is reading cooler IAT2 so it adjusts the timing instead of having to retard it.

any thoughts on ease of install of a cobra he vs. a cx racing he and also capacity...
A second H/E won't add power, it will prevent the car from heatsoaking as much and losing power on back to back runs.
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Well.. best (and only) options without meth to look at are the dual-pass with Option A or B, and additional heat exchanger. Then again, you could always just set a bag of ice on top of the supercharger... lol
wtf are we thinking guys???? lets just roll around with a cooler full of ice bags in the trunk and every once in a while put a new ice bag on top of our supercharger
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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wtf are we thinking guys???? lets just roll around with a cooler full of ice bags in the trunk and every once in a while put a new ice bag on top of our supercharger
Hey, I've seen it done at the track...
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CbYellowSS
wtf are we thinking guys???? lets just roll around with a cooler full of ice bags in the trunk and every once in a while put a new ice bag on top of our supercharger
My buddy used to do that when he came out to the street racing spots sometimes. He'd just keep it on top of the blower the whole time, when he left we put it on someone elses car until he came back.
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 07:29 PM
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I just cant understand why anyone would buy a modified end plate kit and not bother to eliminate the wacko stock reservoir...
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 04:25 AM
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I just cant understand why anyone would buy a modified end plate kit and not bother to eliminate the wacko stock reservoir...
Ummm, probably because there is no space for a larger tank under the Cobalt hood where the OEM tank sits. If you look at the pic of under my hood a few pages back you might notice that the coolant tanks are of different sizes. theone on the drivers side is OEM while the one on the passenger side is from the Ion Redline. IRL's have larger tanks.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Ummm, probably because there is no space for a larger tank under the Cobalt hood where the OEM tank sits. If you look at the pic of under my hood a few pages back you might notice that the coolant tanks are of different sizes. theone on the drivers side is OEM while the one on the passenger side is from the Ion Redline. IRL's have larger tanks.
funny thing i have fitted Saturn coolant reservoirs for aftercoolers on the passenger side tower of lets see maybe 12 Cobalts....
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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for those with the dual pass end plate if u have ur stock one still please let me know by pm, im looking to buy
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
funny thing i have fitted Saturn coolant reservoirs for aftercoolers on the passenger side tower of lets see maybe 12 Cobalts....
Yep, it's easy. I did it too. Did you look at the pic I suggested in my last post? I even have a Ingalls torque dampner installed next to it.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 11:49 PM
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what is this switching of lamova tubes?
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 03:41 AM
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You need to re-route the coolant flow for dual pass, hence the "flipping" or "switching" of the tubes.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
what is this switching of lamova tubes?
If you look at my (crude) diagrams, the lower 2 laminova coils need switched around in order for the fluid to go correctly with the dual-pass endplate. You are re-routing/re-plumbing the entire system.

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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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anyone have a pic of this?
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
anyone have a pic of this?
Pic of what, the whole system or what?

Please refer to page 6 of this thread.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Tennpen and domin8 I looked at those pics again, nice installs, congrats guys,and really helpful information I hopethe forum appreciates the time and effort you made to show this. Something i learned is to run the hoses from the reservoir sloping down to the h/e laminova pump area, not going up or along the level of the reservoir. OPtion B is self bleeding to be sure, but why go to extra work when water runs down hill ?
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
anyone have a pic of this?
First Page explains it all:
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/pdfs/sidekit.pdf

Pics of a DIY: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/advanced-performance-modifications-130/dual-pass-intercooler-38126/
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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hair brained idea.

build a dry ice box. fill with said dry eye. run the take tube through said box. remember to vent said box. or box will not like you.

dunno, just a thought for those concerned with iat temps
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
hair brained idea.

build a dry ice box. fill with said dry eye. run the take tube through said box. remember to vent said box. or box will not like you.

dunno, just a thought for those concerned with iat temps
Would help for sure. Cool can for the fuel would help as well.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 11:16 PM
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Wow I dont think I have ever read that many posts at one time .lol ok I am going to try and apply common sense to this .If I take a water pump that pumps 225 gph put 1" hose a Y(like a dual pass endplate) on it changing it from 1- 1 " output to 2-1" and measure the gph out of the 2 combined its still 225 gpg just less coming out of each so the dual pass is doing nothing you will not see a diff on a dyno .


.For the dual pass endplate to be any advantage 1- it needs a bigger or another tap on the single side 2-a higher flow pump to push the extra or just make it so you use 2 seperate setups 1 pump each line going into the plate, 2 exit ports 1 going to each H/E ,H/E back to pump. oh and you would need a check valve on each line and pumps need to be matching gph pumps also I do understand with the new routing inside the water runs a shorter distance ,but realize it stays in 2x as long

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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by powerz
Wow I dont think I have ever read that many posts at one time .lol ok I am going to try and apply common sense to this .If I take a water pump that pumps 225 gph put 1" hose a Y(like a duel pass endplate) on it changing it from 1- 1 " output to 2-1" and measure the gph out of the 2 combined its still 225 gpg just less coming out of each .For the duel pass endplate to be any advantage 1- it needs a bigger or another tap on the single side 2-a higher flow pump to push the extra or just make it so you use 2 seperate setups 1 pump each line going into the plate, 2 exit ports 1 going to each H/E ,H/E back to pump. oh and you would need a check valve on each line and pumps need to be matching gph pumps also I do understand with the new routing inside the water runs a shorter distance ,but realize it stays in 2x as long
Wow, that sounds like a lot of work for basically a dual-pass/option B setup
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tennpenn83
Wow, that sounds like a lot of work for basically a dual-pass/option B setup

ok then you did not read it correct or I put them 2 close together .If you put a system on like I described you would pump 2x the amount of a dual pass as people are setting them up and using them. people are still pumping the same amount threw it as a stock set up.unless they upgrade to a higher gph pump

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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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ok then you did not read it correct or I put them 2 close together .If you put a system on like I described you would pump 2x the amount of a duel pass as people are setting them up and using them. people are still pumping the same amount threw it as a stock set up.unless they upgrade to a higher gph pump
The pump is adequate (as long as it's working...) to provide the amount of cooling needed. If you were to go through all the trouble to make this work, your money would probably be better spent on a meth system. An upgraded intercooler pump is not worth the money, IMO, because the stock one already flow 6.9 Gallons per Minute. An additional heat exchanger and/or a meth kit would be much better options.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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5 gpm but thats still ok....tennpenn83 you are usually right on the money
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:40 PM
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If The pump is adequate then no need to use a dual pass plate.Since you are not gaining any flow . I already have the extra 2 qt tank ,cobra H/E and upgraded pump.Bigger pump flows more water through the system, increasing the potential for cooling far more then the dual pass and cost less .My pump flows 500gph so 8.33 gpm so 3.3 more gmp then stock and cost less then a stock pump and for even more cooling at idle or slower speeds add a fan behind the h/e A 7" fits well behind the cobra h/e and they are cheap around 50$
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by powerz
If The pump is adequate then no need to use a dual pass plate.Since you are not gaining any flow . I already have the extra 2 qt tank ,cobra H/E and upgraded pump.Bigger pump flows more water through the system, increasing the potential for cooling far more then the dual pass and cost less .My pump flows 500gph so 8.33 gpm so 3.3 more gmp then stock and cost less then a stock pump and for even more cooling at idle or slower speeds add a fan behind the h/e A 7" fits well behind the cobra h/e and they are cheap around 50$
Link to the aftermarket pump you are using please??
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