OK here's my question. How is it that Honda can pump out 197 hp with a NA 2.0 engine and with out our S/C our SS are only rated at max 150 hp? What ever Honda did/does I wish GM did with ours to make it mor pnies before the S/C.

 

The NA SS is 2.4L and is rated for 170HP. Honda winds the **** out of their engine to develop more power.

 

there's onnly 100,million ways to do it
higher compression, less restriction, less rotating mass, airpath is smoother, straighter, what honda's are well known for: a gazillion rpm... **** is i was to take a lawnmower engine and quadruple the rpm it would make just as much hp and tq as a honda

 

**** i just checked the civic si specs and it ONLY gets 197bhp with a 7800 rpm redline and an 11:1 compression..and a whopping 139tq

that's about 167whp which is about 25 more than ours gets (a 2L without the blower) with a 6500 redline and 9.5:1 compression... i don't see anything special at all with that

 

High Compression, High Reving. Solid Engineering.
Hondas K series motors are very impressive.

 

i don't see anything spectacular about those numbers

 

the k series motors are some of the best 4 cyl motors around for n/a , i think the next best is the eco tec n/a motors the 2.4 in particular

 

and if you add a s/c or turbo to one of those bad boys.

 

Honda has made small engines (Motorcycles, Lawn & Garden) for a long time.

I don't think they know how to make a low reving 4cyl.

And with that being said unless your a ricer and horsepower per liter is all you can talk up about your car the output numbers are not impressive.

 

actually i think you were looking for the explosion icon... running boost on a 11:1 motor isn't the smartest thing in the world lol

 

You are going to have to lower the compression ratio.

 

unless you like custom dents in your hood from the inside

 

first of all you guys need to get your facts straight. there are many rsx-s's driving around w/ boost and no problems. they even offer the comptech s/c at the dealer so don't make up **** saying the compression is too high on it. if you don't know just don't say anything. go to clubrsx and you'll see a guy running 23psi boost in his type S and no problems. over 600hp at the wheel for over a year now.

 

Well then lets so you build a 2.0 N/A motor pushing 200hp that will run for 300,000km +

I think you need to so a little bit of research before you post, because as stated above, running boost on those motors makes for one hell of a street car. 11:1 compression with boost is great as long as your tuning is dead on.

Compression = Power

Compression + Boost = More Power......Get It?

 

LOL...with a compression of 11.1 you cant just turbo and supercharge a Honda motor. Those little rods would bend like pretzels a long with the open water jacket engine block.
Seriously with a lot of money you can make any engine go fast. After you spent about 5 000$ on upgrading and solidifying the honda motor then you can spend another 3-5000$ on a good turbo/intercooled system for it.
I know I used to modify honda engines for a long time....Actually I probably had the first turbocharged Honda civic in Ontario,Canada. If you want to talk about a real strong engine from factory the "eclipse/evo" 1Gen 6 bolt 4G63T engine now thats solid. The LSJ engine is very similar in design but with a chain timing belt witch takes care of the 4G63T only weakness.

 

thank you. i love the theory of how people think they can just boost anything safely.

Omg!!11!!!111 my friend has a 25:1 compression honda and it runs 75 PSI on stock internals!!! with enough money anything is possible, but the higher the compression, the less boost you can run, especially when concerning fuel. high compression + boost on pump gas = welcome mr. detonation

but i guess i'm wrong... that's why all the supra guys running between 35-45 psi run as low as an 8:1 compression i should go check for some 12:1 setups running 45 psi

 

To fool American's into thinking Honda's are actually fast. And because our engine was built for forced induction where as that Honda motor was built for NA. And that's only 197bhp which is only about 160whp, if that.

 

Ok first off, they have 197BHP which is about 160 whp. WE ARE DYNOING ON AVERAGE ABOUT 215WHP STOCK. So no they are slow. AND WHO EVER SAID THAT WE WERE RATED AT 150 HP MAX???

 

Another thing that people dont understand is Torque. Everybody talks about HorsePower but nobody ever talks about torque. Torque is just as important and if not even more important. Acceleration from a stand still , Going up a hill, Carying people, braking and re-accelerating, etc...

What good is it to have a engine pushing 197WHP with 139 torque @7800 rpm when in order to get a decent acceleration you need to stay in the upper 7500rpm all the time, in REAL life its not an oval race track with no stops.
See in order to have an engine with this high reving configuration you need to make the internals light(thats why I can bend the rods with my own hands), a huge compression ratio....basically a highly precise and light engine that in the process makes for a weak engine that can not tolerate force induction without killing itself.

 

http://www.comptechusa.com/store/media/dyno/RSXDyno.pdf


There is my facts

Thats the supercharger, header, intake and exhaust.

 

My friend has a 95 cobra that he wanted to procharge but because the moto was built for a higher compression ratio he decided not to do it because he actually wants to have a car that runs and isnt in the shop every week. He is a mechanic too so this isnt just someone who thinks they know what they are talking about.

 

A 1995 Cobras 5.0 is far from high compression at 9:1, tell him to do it they need all the help they can get.

 

damn a supercharger that only gives 45 hp... lol is that one of those electric ebay superchargers?

and for the low price of: $4,290.00 it's a steal!!!!

especially when you compare it to a $50 pulley that can get us an extra 25

 

In a drag race Ill put my money on the blown k20 over a stock lsj anyday. May not have the torque... but to me.... Thats a GOOD thing. Ever notice how are first gear is almost useless at the track ? Thats all that torque everybody is so high on. Once that k20 gets movin it should scoot right past an SS. *EDIT* If its not past it already.

 

notice i said it was built for a higher compression for more power without forced induction.