View Poll Results: Those who have it. Which is better?
Stage 1 with smaller pulley
18
39.13%
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28
60.87%
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GM Stage 1/2 Thread: Merged
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From: AZ
Originally Posted by italstalnprd86
that dyno looks messed up, our cars dont even allow the motor to go at 7800 rpm......
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From: Indiana
Originally Posted by 280Z1977
The chances of it being measured at the same RPM are slim to none. EITHER WAY! You do not feel horsepower, you feel torque.
This might uncloud your brain... http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html
This might uncloud your brain... http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html
Wasey, I don't care what kind of crap you keep posting. TORQUE IS USED TO CALCULATE HORSEPOWER. If you feel torque you feel horsepower.....
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From: Ottawa
Originally Posted by italstalnprd86
that dyno looks messed up, our cars dont even allow the motor to go at 7800 rpm......
Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
That's what I was thinking. I would go to a shop that has a properly working dyno, before getting upset.
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From: Toronto, Canada
Originally Posted by silverSS
exactly.
$535 for kit (with tax)
$380 for install (with tax) Took close to 3 hours...
I said, what if i take it home, install the injectors, then bring it back to you and have you re-flash it, he said it wouldnt be under warranty.
He also said that the new injecotrs would be dumping so much fuel the computer would flip out and go crazy
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I get to keep my full warranty with the car, so that's why I did it.
The tech was on the phone with the "whoever in wherever" {getting the download i guess?} for at least 30 minutes
$535 for kit (with tax)
$380 for install (with tax) Took close to 3 hours...
I said, what if i take it home, install the injectors, then bring it back to you and have you re-flash it, he said it wouldnt be under warranty.
He also said that the new injecotrs would be dumping so much fuel the computer would flip out and go crazy
! I get to keep my full warranty with the car, so that's why I did it.
The tech was on the phone with the "whoever in wherever" {getting the download i guess?} for at least 30 minutes
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From: Winnipeg... Canada EH
Originally Posted by Asstyme
There is NO reason to laugh and make fun of others that have spent the $ and time to be the first testers for all us members 
I didnt think of the bigger picture
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From: Pittsburgh
Originally Posted by TheToolmaker
Wasey, I don't care what kind of crap you keep posting. TORQUE IS USED TO CALCULATE HORSEPOWER. If you feel torque you feel horsepower.....
Same way you can't feel speed. You feel acceleration. Horsepower is a purely mathematical function, it does not exist as a simple entity. It is a function of torque. If you took our car and did nothing but raise the rev limiter, allowing it to produce a higher top-end horsepower but not doing anything to the torque curve (since it would show no further increase in torque), the car would not feel faster because torque is all that you are feeling, you cannot physically feel horsepower. Hell you cannot even measure horsepower on a dyno. You can only measure torque, the computer then translates that into horsepower using a mathematical function involving engine RPMs...
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From: Cali
Originally Posted by TheToolmaker
I don't care what kind of crap you keep posting. TORQUE IS USED TO CALCULATE HORSEPOWER. If you feel torque you feel horsepower.....
And what she said.^^^
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From: eh
Originally Posted by alleycat58
YOU CAN'T FEEL A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION!!!!!!!!
Same way you can't feel speed. You feel acceleration. Horsepower is a purely mathematical function, it does not exist as a simple entity. It is a function of torque. If you took our car and did nothing but raise the rev limiter, allowing it to produce a higher top-end horsepower but not doing anything to the torque curve (since it would show no further increase in torque), the car would not feel faster because torque is all that you are feeling, you cannot physically feel horsepower. Hell you cannot even measure horsepower on a dyno. You can only measure torque, the computer then translates that into horsepower using a mathematical function involving engine RPMs...
Same way you can't feel speed. You feel acceleration. Horsepower is a purely mathematical function, it does not exist as a simple entity. It is a function of torque. If you took our car and did nothing but raise the rev limiter, allowing it to produce a higher top-end horsepower but not doing anything to the torque curve (since it would show no further increase in torque), the car would not feel faster because torque is all that you are feeling, you cannot physically feel horsepower. Hell you cannot even measure horsepower on a dyno. You can only measure torque, the computer then translates that into horsepower using a mathematical function involving engine RPMs...
Precisely!
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From: Spaceball 1 or better known as CT
Originally Posted by betterthanbad
So if I get you right..............you paid 30 mins of labour for this download that they'll turn around and use for the next person..........and the next job will be done in less time for the next person correct???
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From: Indiana
Originally Posted by alleycat58
YOU CAN'T FEEL A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION!!!!!!!!
Same way you can't feel speed. You feel acceleration. Horsepower is a purely mathematical function, it does not exist as a simple entity. It is a function of torque. If you took our car and did nothing but raise the rev limiter, allowing it to produce a higher top-end horsepower but not doing anything to the torque curve (since it would show no further increase in torque), the car would not feel faster because torque is all that you are feeling, you cannot physically feel horsepower. Hell you cannot even measure horsepower on a dyno. You can only measure torque, the computer then translates that into horsepower using a mathematical function involving engine RPMs...
Same way you can't feel speed. You feel acceleration. Horsepower is a purely mathematical function, it does not exist as a simple entity. It is a function of torque. If you took our car and did nothing but raise the rev limiter, allowing it to produce a higher top-end horsepower but not doing anything to the torque curve (since it would show no further increase in torque), the car would not feel faster because torque is all that you are feeling, you cannot physically feel horsepower. Hell you cannot even measure horsepower on a dyno. You can only measure torque, the computer then translates that into horsepower using a mathematical function involving engine RPMs...
Really you don't FEEL torque anyway.... You FEEL acceleration... Torque is a rotational force. If you guys want to feel torque I could pick you up and spin you around or something... LOL
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From: Ottawa
Originally Posted by plyboy-illest
so the numbers should be off if im correct:S
Either way somethings fishy, like I have been saying the stage kits have the same recipe for power that all the other kits out have and theres 2 people with crap dynos (no offense) but than theres at least 3 guys with stg2 saying that theres no way the kits are this weak, than we also have the contribution of the SRT4 guys saying that mopar stg 2 never dynoed well but hauled ass at the track (if im not mistaken). Unfortunately we have to continue to wait, I have a feeling the kits will prove themselves yet.
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From: Cali
Originally Posted by TheToolmaker
I am not disagreeing SP? with this at all. WASEY keeps jumping everyones asses about this and I was just telling him you do feel HP in a way. Of course he thinks he is the smartest person every created and I wanted to show him he is not.... I thought he got banned for being an ass anyway.... Oh well....
Really you don't FEEL torque anyway.... You FEEL acceleration... Torque is a rotational force. If you guys want to feel torque I could pick you up and spin you around or something... LOL
Really you don't FEEL torque anyway.... You FEEL acceleration... Torque is a rotational force. If you guys want to feel torque I could pick you up and spin you around or something... LOL
me rebanned? That is childish.
Actually you are wrong again. How do you feel acceleration??? You said the key word rotational FORCE. So you are telling me you don't feel a Force but you feel distance divided by time???
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From: Flora, IL
Originally Posted by p7x
ya but not by much 05_Blue_B10WN_SS explained it above
Either way somethings fishy, like I have been saying the stage kits have the same recipe for power that all the other kits out have and theres 2 people with crap dynos (no offense) but than theres at least 3 guys with stg2 saying that theres no way the kits are this weak, than we also have the contribution of the SRT4 guys saying that mopar stg 2 never dynoed well but hauled ass at the track (if im not mistaken). Unfortunately we have to continue to wait, I have a feeling the kits will prove themselves yet.
Either way somethings fishy, like I have been saying the stage kits have the same recipe for power that all the other kits out have and theres 2 people with crap dynos (no offense) but than theres at least 3 guys with stg2 saying that theres no way the kits are this weak, than we also have the contribution of the SRT4 guys saying that mopar stg 2 never dynoed well but hauled ass at the track (if im not mistaken). Unfortunately we have to continue to wait, I have a feeling the kits will prove themselves yet.
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From: Phoenix, Arizona
Someone with a stock Cobalt and no bypass mods needs to get a base dyno and Stage2 dyno on back to back days if possible.
I wish we'd baselined our Cobalt. We may be able to get it dyno'd but not for a while.
I wish we'd baselined our Cobalt. We may be able to get it dyno'd but not for a while.
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From: Ottawa
Originally Posted by Zenkat
Someone with a stock Cobalt and no bypass mods needs to get a base dyno and Stage2 dyno on back to back days if possible.
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From: Buffalo, NY
Originally Posted by KangolRiot
for all those who are getting outrageous prices from your dealership, why dont you just buy it from http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...arts-C144.aspx since they are selling it for $637
Seriously.. I ordered mine on 4/2/06 and was processed and shipped on 4/5/06 and i got my Stage 2 today (4/7/06) i had them FedEx it to me 2-Day service
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From: Indianapolis
Originally Posted by WopOnTour
No big deal, you all will be crying for a custom tune soon enough
Oh, i like good ol' BEER with my crow!
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