2.0L LSJ Performance Tech 205hp Supercharged SS tuner version. 200 lb-ft of torque.

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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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ps. have the lsa of the cams widened up to 112-114 degree's. boost will go down. cylinder pressure will go up



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Okay Area, enlighten me. Not quite sure how I would accomplish that...
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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lobe seperation angle.

stock lsj cams have an lsa of 112.5 the hks grind has 110. not sure what the jbp cams are. the more you widen this up {to a degree} the more the cylinder pressure is increased. the more air is being crammed into the cylinder. tightening up the lsa {going smaller} will reduce cylinder pressures.

increasing cylinder pressure isn't going to always increase the power. sometimes there is an adverse effect to both sides of it. going to wide, or going to small.

you get to a point where cramming more air into the motor isn't going to help anything. you have to make it more efficient. case in point m-dubs car. this is a prime example of over filling and under exhausting
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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EDIT: DUH...

And how did you figure out that a 112-114 LSA is optimal for this head?

Also, if the head is ported (especially on the exhaust ports), would that effect the ability to raise cylinder pressure and still benefit from it?

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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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So do you think this Dyno is running high also? My mods are ZZP 3" Downpipe with no Cat, Magna-flow Catback exhaust and K&N Typhoon CAI. Oh yea, my windows are tinted which counts for 5 hps? lol

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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
lobe seperation angle.

stock lsj cams have an lsa of 112.5 the hks grind has 110. not sure what the jbp cams are. the more you widen this up {to a degree} the more the cylinder pressure is increased. the more air is being crammed into the cylinder. tightening up the lsa {going smaller} will reduce cylinder pressures.

increasing cylinder pressure isn't going to always increase the power. sometimes there is an adverse effect to both sides of it. going to wide, or going to small.

you get to a point where cramming more air into the motor isn't going to help anything. you have to make it more efficient. case in point m-dubs car. this is a prime example of over filling and under exhausting
Yup, deff. found the limits of the 2.5" system... Oh, well tax returns are around the corner getting full 3" and possibly a header!

Squish did you ever call that d00d on the H/E brackets, fur' me?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Micone
So do you think this Dyno is running high also? My mods are ZZP 3" Downpipe with no Cat, Magna-flow Catback exhaust and K&N Typhoon CAI. Oh yea, my windows are tinted which counts for 5 hps? lol
Actually, looks like you're getting a little rich there at some points. You may benefit from further tuning. I can't tell completly, but it looks like you're dipping into the 10's once or twice...
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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Actually, looks like you're getting a little rich there at some points. You may benefit from further tuning. I can't tell completly, but it looks like you're dipping into the 10's once or twice...
Damn near it anyways... I'm sure some further tuning could release the potential of the car!
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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im working with him on a schedule time that i can get my car over there and he can take measurements of it.

optimal on lsa is more or less up to the end user, and what they are doing with the car.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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yea, thats what I have been told. I havent had any tuning done to it yet. I was gonna wait til I got the headers and Stage 2 put on.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Thats still on GM Stg2 tune... well that explains the rich dips!
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Dub
Thats still on GM Stg2 tune... well that explains the rich dips!
From what he said, that's before the header and stage II. Which then makes his #'s seem a little high to me...
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Dub
Thats still on GM Stg2 tune... well that explains the rich dips!
I am still new to this whole modding and tuning stuff so this thread has had a lot of good info. I was just curious to see if you guys thought that 246hps was a lot for my mods or if it is about average.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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It's a lot for 3" catless DP, 2.5" exhaust and an intake...
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Edubs
From what he said, that's before the header and stage II. Which then makes his #'s seem a little high to me...
That is correct. No Stage II yet. Just Induction mods. I have heard that removing your CAT gives a good boost in Horsepower but I have no idea how much of one.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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OH, holy ****! Yeah that is damn high for not even Stage 2 stuff? Might be another Dyno Shop padding numbers making numbers look better!
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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Another question, the numbers on the Dyno sheet as far as Max Power, is that to the Crank?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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No, whp.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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oh... Then I agree that my numbers are high. I thought it was to the crank and then you subract 10% or whatever the formula is. Shows what I know!
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Yeah dyno's show WHP... hmmm! I'm kinda at a loss. Area,Witt, 06black need to step in they are the tuner GODS around here!

But that does seem high... Especially at the stock pulley
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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It means the dyno operator needs to learn how to calibrate his machine or stop fudging the #'s...
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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That seems to be a problem around lately! I know one of the dyno's Area and I go to is a "hearbreaker" the shop owner even says that... I just say it's only calibrated for Hondas The other seems to be a lot higher but its also newer and has better air flow so I don't know!

I know unless you go to the same dynos each time you'll get different numbers from every one of them!
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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Well appreciate the info guys. Not sure if I should go back to that one though unless I want to see the HP gain from each mod.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Or just ask around... see which dyno's seem to be a little more accurate!
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Micone
Well appreciate the info guys. Not sure if I should go back to that one though unless I want to see the HP gain from each mod.
That's the only real reason to go to a dyno anyways. Real performance gains are proven at a track, whether you like to turn or floor it, every state's got a track for you to test what you've really done...
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Edubs
That's the only real reason to go to a dyno anyways. Real performance gains are proven at a track, whether you like to turn or floor it, every state's got a track for you to test what you've really done...

Track and street performance is where you will see your true gains.
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