If going turbo you could go without a FMIC and just use the Factory H/E couldn't you?
It would still be good for about ~325hp on a turbo wouldn't it?

 

are you talking wheel hp or crank hp?

 

Not 100% sure on this but I think turbos produce more heat than superchargers so it would be wize to get another h/e

 

you'll be fine without the air to air fmic, but it would be better to have one with daily driving........keeps ur temps down

 

NOOOOO. Need to use the good old search button. But basically, a Heat exchanger is like a mini-radiator that circulates water and cools it, then runs it through passages around the supercharger to cool down the intake charge. An air to air intercooler used on a turbocharger setup is COMPLETELY different. The actual air that goes into the engine, runs THROUGH the intercooler, then into the engine. Get what I mean? So no. Factory H/E is not an air to air intercooler, and besides, the inlet is like 3/4inch, you need at least 2.5inch for a turbo intercooler, probably even 3inch would be best.

Unless I guess if you're talkinga bout just using an H/E to cool the intake, but it would be waay better to run the air through an actual intercooler FMIC style, then through the intake with h/e, then into the engine.

 

hes asking if he can run the factory heat exchanger.

you could probably get away with it

pros
-less cost, sicne you don't have to have a fmic with piping.
-faster spool up with piping right from the turbo to the intake manifold.
-possibly less weight with the factory heat exhanger and all of the extra fliuds taken out.

cons
-probably less efficant
-intake manifold becomes a huge restriction, even on stock supercharged cars

 

I don't think he's talking about running the charge pipe through the heat exchanger, rather running the charge pipe into the current intake manifold.

This is the way I ran my turbo until I complete my rebuild which will include a new intake manifold.

My temps are WAY down going this way too. My IAT2's never get nearly as bad as they did before. Almost have an 100 degree difference.

And you want to keep the fluids in the heat exchanger as well. Otherwise you won't do anything

 

Haha, you must of thought he was a ******* trying to use the H/E as an intercooler.
Obvious he meant as a substitute and it couldn't be tooooooo bad if it keeps air from the heaton cool.

 

air to water intercooler setups are better. check out any drag car thats turbocharged, they run air to water intercoolers (usualy use them with an icebox though).

 

I have a question....would having both air to air and air to water at the same time be better than having just one or the other?

Because I think i'm going to run both the stock air to water with the addition of a front mount air to air

 

what the hell

Just get this

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...R8+Intercooler

I myself am running a GReddy spec-m intercooler, but I was heavily considering running that.

then run meth

 

I wouldnt run a turbo without a fmic. Turbos create heat that need to be cooled down.

 

Yes because they will load up the cooler with ice so the air that goes through it is very cold, but for day to day driving and air to air is by far the way to go... It will give you cooler temps overall as opposed to an air to water which will heat up after driving for a certain period of time...

 

this may have been covered but in reply to the first post...

The H/E for the SC cars hold liquid that is cooled and then pumped through the intake manifold cooling it and inturn cooling the air... this would not work for a turbo set up of any hp. you need an Air To Air intercooler to directly cool your air... and plus you wont be using the SC intake mani on your turbo set up, so how would you cool the air...

 

I'm using the supercharger intake manifold on my turbo...and like someone else said, the very high high hp turbocharged cars use air to water...I don't know, i'm keeping the air to water in conjunction with the front mount air to air

 

how would this matter??? its all air, doesnt matter what way its being compressed. there are the blower delete kits out there for turbo swaps and they use a very short charge pipe wich aids in keeping turbo lag down. i see absolutly no problem in using the factory intercooler setup. if it works for a heat generating blower, itll work for a far more efficient turbo that creates a lot less heat.

 

^ +1

 

now do not quote me but i am pretty sure that the air coming out of the turbo is hotter then the air coming out of the SC. and i personally dont think that cooling the metal intake manifold and then intern cooling the air passing through it would be as efficent.

and i did not know that you used the SC intake mani on a turbo set up... its not a very good set up... and i ont see how it would work well on a turbo set up.

 

I agree it's not a good setup, but it works and for now it's good enough for me. It's similar to long island pauls old turbo set up. He made I think 350 whp on the sc intake manifold.

Also, I think you are confused.....the air will be getting cooled going through the front mount air to air FIRST and THEN goes through the air to water

 

Also if you already up graded to a CX heat-exhanger it should be good enough for a low 300 hp turbo set-up.

 

k yeah i missed that part... i thought you were only going to use the manifold liquid intercooler set up with out a air to air cooler...