2.0L LSJ Performance Tech 205hp Supercharged SS tuner version. 200 lb-ft of torque.

Headgasket???????

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 06:46 PM
  #1  
Slowbalt4life's Avatar
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: 03-16-12
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
From: Pelham
Headgasket???????

hey everyone i recently found out i have a blown headgaske and i just have a couple questions do i need to replace the supercharger gasket and exhaust manifold gasket? do i need to replace the supercharger oil too? if anyone who has done it was it rather dificult or easy? and how are the arp studs and the cometic gasket if anyone has tried it? thanks
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 06:56 PM
  #2  
conerboner's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: 01-23-08
Posts: 3,360
Likes: 1
From: East Grand Forks, MN
Arp headstuds are a great upgrade over stock head bolts. and you don't have to replace the arp headstuds if you ever take the head off again. i've heard bad things about cometic so I went with a new stock head gasket. I would replace the intake manifold and exhaust manifold gasket also. not sure on the supercharger oil tho. taking the head off isn't too difficult on this car just take your time and do it right the first time.
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 07:26 PM
  #3  
nhanson's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: 05-07-08
Posts: 6,417
Likes: 2
From: Minnesota
Do all gaskets...more than likely NONE have been changed.

Also change S/C oil, most likely that hasnt been changed either
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:27 PM
  #4  
mrbelvedere's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 12-03-05
Posts: 8,090
Likes: 52
From: KY
Originally Posted by conerboner
I would replace the intake manifold and exhaust manifold gasket also. not sure on the supercharger oil tho. taking the head off isn't too difficult on this car just take your time and do it right the first time.

Originally Posted by nhanson
Do all gaskets...more than likely NONE have been changed.

Also change S/C oil, most likely that hasnt been changed either
both of you are incorrect

intake gasket is reuseable so is the exhaust gasket and the blower gasket you do not need to change the blower oil the cometic is a good gasket but most prefer stock
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:31 PM
  #5  
conerboner's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: 01-23-08
Posts: 3,360
Likes: 1
From: East Grand Forks, MN
Even if that's true i would replace the exhaust manifold gasket at least. its multi layer steel just like the head gasket and would you take the head off without replacing the head gasket lol?
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:32 PM
  #6  
nhanson's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: 05-07-08
Posts: 6,417
Likes: 2
From: Minnesota
Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
both of you are incorrect

intake gasket is reuseable so is the exhaust gasket and the blower gasket you do not need to change the blower oil the cometic is a good gasket but most prefer stock
I just prefer to change my gaskets if its been awhile. But yes those are reuseable.
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:50 PM
  #7  
mrbelvedere's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 12-03-05
Posts: 8,090
Likes: 52
From: KY
Originally Posted by conerboner
Even if that's true i would replace the exhaust manifold gasket at least. its multi layer steel just like the head gasket and would you take the head off without replacing the head gasket lol?
dude you need to realize that it is to different purposes there is next to no pressur on the exh side and yes i have reused a mls head gasket many times and it was a cometic that is one of the purposses of a mls gasket
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 08:02 AM
  #8  
SaberD's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 01-28-11
Posts: 734
Likes: 1
From: Rochester Hills, MI
you dont need to replace any of the gaskets with o-rings, but as always clean all gasket surfaces thoroughly. the head gasket kit i bought from CED came with the head gasket and new exhaust and intake manifold gaskets already. It's a pretty nice kit. comes with valve seals too. I like to use oem torque to yield head bolts because you run less risk of stripping out the block with a weaker fastener. There is a reason why they made the bolts torque to yeild.

Cylinder Head Gasket Kit Cobalt 2.0 LSJ 2005 - 2007 12595961
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 09:53 AM
  #9  
mrbelvedere's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 12-03-05
Posts: 8,090
Likes: 52
From: KY
Originally Posted by SaberD
I like to use oem torque to yield head bolts because you run less risk of stripping out the block with a weaker fastener. There is a reason why they made the bolts torque to yeild.
you are incorrect on the tty bolts they are used because it is easier to program a machine to only turn them x amount of degrees to do final tightening then to torque them to a specific number they arent a weak fastner by any means but there is better out there
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 09:57 AM
  #10  
startingline05's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 11-14-07
Posts: 2,712
Likes: 1
From: Hinesville ga
Lol damn it seems like everyone is incorrect on this thread besides this guy ^^^
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 10:04 AM
  #11  
mexi_loco's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: 02-20-07
Posts: 8,315
Likes: 0
From: Houston
The drama behind the cometic gaskets, IIRC, happened when people ran them concurrently with arp head studs. they sealed so well that when people started running higher than normal boost, they started popping sleeves. The argument was that on stock tty bolts and gasket (in the same situation), the head would lift and blow a gasket and the bolts. So it's kind of a catch 22. If something blows, which would you rather.

OP, what are your mods? How many miles are on your s/c?
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 10:50 AM
  #12  
SaberD's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 01-28-11
Posts: 734
Likes: 1
From: Rochester Hills, MI
Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
you are incorrect on the tty bolts they are used because it is easier to program a machine to only turn them x amount of degrees to do final tightening then to torque them to a specific number they arent a weak fastner by any means but there is better out there
there are a few people that get stripped threads using arp bolts. a torque to yield bolt is always more forgiving to error.

try doing a google search:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...dcdcaaff79c334

Last edited by SaberD; Apr 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 11:02 AM
  #13  
SaberD's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 01-28-11
Posts: 734
Likes: 1
From: Rochester Hills, MI
Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
you are incorrect on the tty bolts they are used because it is easier to program a machine to only turn them x amount of degrees to do final tightening then to torque them to a specific number they arent a weak fastner by any means but there is better out there
most fastener insertion spindles these days are fitted with torque sensors. if this is in fact a problem for GM, then their equipment is probably old as **** haha.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 02:54 PM
  #14  
Slowbalt4life's Avatar
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: 03-16-12
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
From: Pelham
the mods done to my car are 2.8 pulley 60#s dual pass intercooling injen intake, magna flow catback, zzp dp, s3 heat exchanger and i think thats it there is currently just over 91,000 on my s/c and what is everyone trying to sy use arp studs with stock headgasket or what im confused
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 05:07 PM
  #15  
mrbelvedere's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 12-03-05
Posts: 8,090
Likes: 52
From: KY
Originally Posted by mexi_loco
The drama behind the cometic gaskets, IIRC, happened when people ran them concurrently with arp head studs. they sealed so well that when people started running higher than normal boost, they started popping sleeves. The argument was that on stock tty bolts and gasket (in the same situation), the head would lift and blow a gasket and the bolts. So it's kind of a catch 22. If something blows, which would you rather.

OP, what are your mods? How many miles are on your s/c?
preignition or a lot of detonation is the main reasons why sleeves pop your not going to lift the head on the stock fastners

Originally Posted by SaberD
there are a few people that get stripped threads using arp bolts. a torque to yield bolt is always more forgiving to error.

try doing a google search:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...dcdcaaff79c334
you can atribute that to incorrect instalation on the studs and we dont have a honda or a dsm


Originally Posted by Slowbalt4life
the mods done to my car are 2.8 pulley 60#s dual pass intercooling injen intake, magna flow catback, zzp dp, s3 heat exchanger and i think thats it there is currently just over 91,000 on my s/c and what is everyone trying to sy use arp studs with stock headgasket or what im confused
you can use stock tty bolts or arp studs just install them correctly
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 06:25 PM
  #16  
mexi_loco's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: 02-20-07
Posts: 8,315
Likes: 0
From: Houston
and yes, you should change the s/c oil if you haven't already.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 07:19 PM
  #17  
Slowbalt4life's Avatar
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: 03-16-12
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
From: Pelham
so arp studs and a stock headgaket is the way im going now another question whats the correct way for installing them if anyone knows?
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 08:20 PM
  #18  
mrbelvedere's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 12-03-05
Posts: 8,090
Likes: 52
From: KY
make sure that you clean out the head bolt holes realy well put some arp lube on the stud screw it in untill it stops then back it out a quarter of a turn if they dont screw in by hand very easy then you will need to get a thread chaser to clean up the threads
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 08:23 PM
  #19  
Slowbalt4life's Avatar
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: 03-16-12
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
From: Pelham
they should screw in all the way by hand?
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2012 | 08:26 PM
  #20  
mrbelvedere's Avatar
Super Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 12-03-05
Posts: 8,090
Likes: 52
From: KY
Originally Posted by Slowbalt4life
they should screw in all the way by hand?
yes if not the threads in the block need cleaned up with a thread chaser not a tap
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2012 | 07:26 AM
  #21  
SaberD's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 01-28-11
Posts: 734
Likes: 1
From: Rochester Hills, MI
i took a grinder down the length of one of the old head bolts to make a slot. works just as well as a thread chaser, and it's free.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
terry11
2.0L LSJ Performance Tech
22
Jan 10, 2010 08:33 PM
RednBlack
2.0L LSJ Performance Tech
68
Nov 19, 2009 10:52 PM
Frosty288
Parts
34
Dec 23, 2008 03:57 PM
2K5SS/SC?
2.0L LSJ Performance Tech
38
Oct 1, 2007 03:57 PM
blown06
ADVANCED Performance Modifications
35
May 30, 2007 12:39 PM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:58 AM.