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Old May 27, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Old May 27, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Old May 27, 2009 | 07:00 PM
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Im spooling at 4k... when others with the s20g are at like 33
start spooling at 2600 @ 15psi by 33-3400 and 24psi @ 3600. my ext wastegate is fully open by 4k...
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Old May 27, 2009 | 07:59 PM
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start spooling at 2600 @ 15psi by 33-3400 and 24psi @ 3600. my ext wastegate is fully open by 4k...
Yeah, he's not spooling till almost 3K, reaching max of about 18psi right around 3900-4000.

The car is stupid rich down low, but I don't want to pull fuel on a tune I know nothing about without a wideband. I cranked the timing up a bit and got more power out of it once it's spooled, and a little better spool up, but thats all. Needs fuel tuning for sure.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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Im going to try replacing the intake / exhaust gasket...

Ive noticed some carbon build up on the right side of my intake manfold (on the block)...

Im just changing the exhaust gaskets because i think it may be necessary.

Cant wait for this wideband to show up .
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Old May 27, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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hey joe, how much timing was 04redline running on that 90shot? I know he ran a 2.9, but i'm hoping i can run at least 17* with a 2.8 and 75 shot.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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hey joe, how much timing was 04redline running on that 90shot? I know he ran a 2.9, but i'm hoping i can run at least 17* with a 2.8 and 75 shot.
he was running about 14-15 degrees.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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I cant wait to see waht i can push when i get meth .
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Old May 27, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortStack
Im going to try replacing the intake / exhaust gasket...

Ive noticed some carbon build up on the right side of my intake manfold (on the block)...

Im just changing the exhaust gaskets because i think it may be necessary.

Cant wait for this wideband to show up .
Exhaust might cause the spool issues, but the car idles too smooth to have an intake leak from what I saw. Can't hurt though.

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he was running about 14-15 degrees.
More than that. Did you ever actually have that tune?

I wanna say it was in the 16-17 range, but it was a while back, I don't recall off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by damien
hey joe, how much timing was 04redline running on that 90shot? I know he ran a 2.9, but i'm hoping i can run at least 17* with a 2.8 and 75 shot.
Also, keep in mind, every car is different. Find what works well on your car and makes the most power safely and be happy. Don't look at timing numbers on someone else's car and feel like you aren't doing as well, your car may make more power on 18 degress of timing than someone else is on 20.

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Old May 27, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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Yea, i planned on figuring out what my car specifically likes but I was looking for something to start a base map on.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Exhaust might cause the spool issues, but the car idles too smooth to have an intake leak from what I saw. Can't hurt though.



More than that. Did you ever actually have that tune?

I wanna say it was in the 16-17 range, but it was a while back, I don't recall off the top of my head.



Also, keep in mind, every car is different. Find what works well on your car and makes the most power safely and be happy. Don't look at timing numbers on someone else's car and feel like you aren't doing as well, your car may make more power on 18 degress of timing than someone else is on 20.
i think i still have his tune , he was running a 90 shot with 20 18-20 degrees first and then you took away 4-5 degrees of timing .
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortStack
I cant wait to see waht i can push when i get meth .
im on 7gph @ 10+psi and honestly i can only get away with 14-15 on high boost, and about 16-17 on 15psi i thought i could go more but it knocks around 4500-5000 when the trq and boost come on hard. then i can slowly ramp it up to 17-18 but the midrange were the turbo shines it doesent like timing.

1 step colder plugs
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91oct + 95% meth @ 7gph

if you have 93 then i would say 2 degrees more maybe.
just so you know what to expect

but like joe said its not about the numbers its about what is safe and what that car likes/wants
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by damien
Yea, i planned on figuring out what my car specifically likes but I was looking for something to start a base map on.
Use the stock timing tables, not stage 2. Thats a good starter area. At least the areas around WOT stuff.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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Awesome... thats fine with me.. as long as I can get power from the Turbo's boost..

I wish i had a better mid range... my boost gauge 0s out at 4.1k
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hungryhip-ccp
im on 7gph @ 10+psi and honestly i can only get away with 14-15 on high boost, and about 16-17 on 15psi i thought i could go more but it knocks around 4500-5000 when the trq and boost come on hard. then i can slowly ramp it up to 17-18 but the midrange were the turbo shines it doesent like timing.

1 step colder plugs
160 thermo
91oct + 95% meth @ 7gph

if you have 93 then i would say 2 degrees more maybe.
just so you know what to expect

but like joe said its not about the numbers its about what is safe and what that car likes/wants
We're lucky, we have 93 down here

The downside is, it's really hot and humid all the time, so IAT can be 10 degress higher than what a lot of people are used to seeing.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortStack
Awesome... thats fine with me.. as long as I can get power from the Turbo's boost..

I wish i had a better mid range... my boost gauge 0s out at 4.1k
my boost gauge does that when i max the map sens... 22.35psi is this what you mean?
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hungryhip-ccp
my boost gauge does that when i max the map sens... 22.35psi is this what you mean?
Lol, yeah. He turned the boost up after he left my house
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Use the stock timing tables, not stage 2. Thats a good starter area. At least the areas around WOT stuff.
22* WOT timing w/ a 60 shot.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Lol, yeah. He turned the boost up after he left my house

oh ok. so he isnt monitoring knock or AFR and he's boosting past 22psi?
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hungryhip-ccp
im on 7gph @ 10+psi and honestly i can only get away with 14-15 on high boost, and about 16-17 on 15psi
I can only run that kind of low timing as well. I think it has to do with the plugs being to hot. I'm not 100% but I have bkr8e's as per recommendation of Paul coming. I'll see if that does anything.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 10:55 PM
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I can only run that kind of low timing as well. I think it has to do with the plugs being to hot. I'm not 100% but I have bkr8e's as per recommendation of Paul coming. I'll see if that does anything.
i had those at first when i did my timing table then i switched to autolite 3922 (1 step colder) and i did not have to pull any timing so im not to sure those plugs will do anything for you.

i just chalk it up to the shitty gas and i dont worry to much about timing i just add boost if im looking for more powa


but im built so i can rely on boost to make my power and then also that way im not always on the verge of knocking trying to squeeze out 5whp or something.

i have tried
bkr7e
bkr8eix
bkr6e (stock)
3922

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.28-.36

and have never seen any difference between the two besides the misfires at idle with the bkr8eix



i gave up on plugs along time ago. i stick with one step colder and .32 gap

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Old May 27, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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I figure I will try them even if they don't work I will never be wondering. With racegas I can get way up there into the 25 area. I would assume that because I'm already running meth that it wouldn't increase too much but apparently the meth isn't as effective as I had hoped.

I'm going to try a preturbo injection setup. AIS highly recommended it I'll see if that lets me be more aggressive with the timing.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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Old May 27, 2009 | 11:13 PM
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I figure I will try them even if they don't work I will never be wondering. With racegas I can get way up there into the 25 area. I would assume that because I'm already running meth that it wouldn't increase too much but apparently the meth isn't as effective as I had hoped.

I'm going to try a preturbo injection setup. AIS highly recommended it I'll see if that lets me be more aggressive with the timing.
rodney and i were discussing that too. what i dont think he realizes is that our turbo is not that hot to begin with. its not like a 16g being pushed to 25psi...


my iat's never get high ever and i think he is thinking were running a little turbo and maxxing it out, but i could be wrong... he kept trying to tell me about iat's in the 140' and 150's


ever since the swap i have never seen iat-2's above 120 ever.... and with the meth they are usually 10-20 degrees lower than ambient.... and i live in the socal desert.


but if you do try that i would like to see/hear of your results...

i just thought of this, why not tee off the pump line and spray pre turbo and post turbo? i say like 3gph pre turbo and 5gph at the TB


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