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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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New Intake Manifold Development Thread!!!

Ok... upon much request, I'm officially stating that with the help of a local company, and the help of a few forum members minds, I'll be developing a new intake manifold for the LSJ.

The key features of this new design;
- Will bolt on as easy as the factory IM
- Will utilize the factory laminova cores
- Will provide superior flow over the OEM design
- Will allow for equal or better cooling effeciency


So... here is the first of many updates.

2 Basic designs, and 1 'elaborate' design have been sketched out, and reviewed.
Over the course of the long weekend, I will be making a preliminary model of each design, and running it though ANSYS flow. If the results are conclusive, I will manually run the flow numbers, and verify that the software is correct.

Upon choosing the best design, the model will be tweaked, and modified to try to pull better numbers out of the thermal and flow matrices of ANSYS.


With any luck, I should have a pretty picture by next Monday.



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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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Updates in this thread

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They are tubes with heat sink fins all along the outter surface.
The air passes though the fins, cooling the air by transferring the heat to the liquid, which runs int he center of the tube.

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The OEM Manifold system (the laminova is 523);


And, a core;
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I'm aiming for 6-7" runners
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I want back and looked... it's ~40ci (650cc) and ~55ci (850cc).... and that's assuming I keep an even tapered funnel from the SC outlet to the cores.
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The T-MAP will probably be located on the bottom of the manifold, in the post-core plenum, so it can read the average pressure and temperature of the air (i will have to check with my contact at Bosch to see if this is a good idea).
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I'll be logging pre and post core air temps and pressures, as well as inlet and outlet water temps.
From that I can determine efficiency, heat transfer rate, heat soak, boost latency, and all kind of other goodies!
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I'm aiming to push the new designed manifold to the full extent of what the laminovas can take; flowing 430WHP, while keeping the cooling affect at a maximum.
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For your viewing pleasure.... here is what the inside of the stock IM looks like.

Front the front....


From the back...


For the lemmings... please don't cut open your IM based on these pics....



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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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I can't wait to see those results man!
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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interstesting. (any love for the 2.4 guys? )
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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interstesting. (any love for the 2.4 guys? )
This may come as a surprise to some people... but designing an intake manifold for a naturally aspirated engine is far harder than it is to design one for an FI engine.
So... I'll have to say that I have no plans as of now to do an N/A intake manifold.
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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How much will be the asking price or atleast a estimate.
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
This may come as a surprise to some people... but designing an intake manifold for a naturally aspirated engine is far harder than it is to design one for an FI engine.
So... I'll have to say that I have no plans as of now to do an N/A intake manifold.
really? I woulda thought the opposite (shows why I'm not designing one ) any specific reasons?
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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How much will be the asking price or atleast a estimate.
As of right now, we still don't have a final design selected... so quoting a price may be getting ahead of everything.
Once material costs, and labor is factored in, we can start to figure out a price.
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Wouldn't our ss/sc intake manifolds be good for the 2.4 guys or would it even fit?
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
As of right now, we still don't have a final design selected... so quoting a price may be getting ahead of everything.
Once material costs, and labor is factored in, we can start to figure out a price.
If its not over 800 you have one sold provided that you show some proven gains.
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Wouldn't our ss/sc intake manifolds be good for the 2.4 guys or would it even fit?
if I had a supercharger lol
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Wouldn't our ss/sc intake manifolds be good for the 2.4 guys or would it even fit?
It would work for them if they were to strap on an SC and go forced induction.
But, it might be cheaper for them to go with an OEM manifold, unless they are pushing some serious air.

This new design is aimed at people with 2.8" or smaller pulley's on the M62, or guys running the TVS.
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Co|3aLt $$
if I had a supercharger lol
Haha wow, I didnt even think about it that way at me
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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no the ss/sc manifold has the laminova tubes running through it for the IC system and also has the common pluenum[sp] for the sc to mount to
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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sick i'll definatly be watching this thread develop
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what if we use the s/c manifold with a tb adapter plate? any benefits to be had there at all?
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see my above post
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do the laminova tubes let air in/out or what? (i've never even looked at a s/c intake mani)
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Originally Posted by Co|3aLt $$
do the laminova tubes let air in/out or what? (i've never even looked at a s/c intake mani)
They are tubes with heat sink fins all along the outter surface.
The air passes though the fins, cooling the air by transferring the heat to the liquid, which runs int he center of the tube.

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The OEM Manifold system (the laminova is 523);


And, a core;
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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BTW Omega I like youre whole " LNF fans click here.
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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BTW Omega I like youre whole " LNF fans click here.
Oh ****... I forgot about that....
Meh.. I'll leave it for another few weeks...
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Old Mar 19, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
Oh ****... I forgot about that....
Meh.. I'll leave it for another few weeks...
Yea you should.
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