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Originally Posted by Zenkat
It's kinda funny, CAI do basically nothing on an SRT aside from opening up engine bay space. Yet it was my first mod too.... I'm such a noob.
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Originally Posted by p7x
I think the general idea off the bat is to get the car breathing better so intake and exhaust are usually the first performance mods ppl do.
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An intake is still a good mod for SRT4s. Nice sound, and really cleans up under the hood. I love both cars, and it wouldnt matter to me if the SS was faster or vice-versa. They're both great cars.
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Originally Posted by umbrae
How do I figure?
SS - 205whp (as you said)
SRT4 - 220-230WHP
Stock for stock... SS<SRT4
Im not building a 2.0L for a Cobalt. There are a few too many variables to say '9.5:1 + 12.5PSI = 205whp
For example, I know a 1.9L that runs alot more boost then 12.5 pounds and it doesnt quite make 100hp
SS - 205whp (as you said)
SRT4 - 220-230WHP
Stock for stock... SS<SRT4
Im not building a 2.0L for a Cobalt. There are a few too many variables to say '9.5:1 + 12.5PSI = 205whp
For example, I know a 1.9L that runs alot more boost then 12.5 pounds and it doesnt quite make 100hp
That doesn't make for a "stronger" motor. Stronger would be something like the low end bowing apart more often on one than the other, or what one has a tendency to fail more.
Also, what compression is your 1.9L running 12.5 boost at? Thats about your only other variable. (for a basic calculation, nor an exact). Also, where have you seen a dyno sheet for a stock SRT-4 thats 220 or 230whp? crank perhaps...
Take into consideration that they run the same 1/4 mile time (STOCK) according to some magazines, and in some the cobalt is only 1/10 or so slower at most. I also believe thats with the cobalt being a slight bit heavier than the SRT-4.
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Yeah they may have 230whp stock but don't forget that turbo lag of yours. While you're spooling up, we're gone. Don't get me wrong the srt-4 isn't a bad car it's a matter of taste and what kind of guy you are.
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Originally Posted by CTCOBALTSSS
Yeah they may have 230whp stock but don't forget that turbo lag of yours. While you're spooling up, we're gone. Don't get me wrong the srt-4 isn't a bad car it's a matter of taste and what kind of guy you are.
Because of their lag, they are able to get decent launches and get their cars in to high 13's stock. I have only seen ONE person with an ss/sc that recieved a 2.1 60ft time on the stock tires. Most of the 60 footers I see are in the 2.3's to 2.4's which is mainly because of the supercharger (and people getting on the gas too much too early). I'm not going to lie, I would get a 2.3-2.4 if I went down to the track. Maybe even slower than that. Our supercharger makes it hard to launch the car.
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Originally Posted by cds00bsmg
That doesn't make for a "stronger" motor. Stronger would be something like the low end bowing apart more often on one than the other, or what one has a tendency to fail more.
Also, what compression is your 1.9L running 12.5 boost at? Thats about your only other variable. (for a basic calculation, nor an exact). Also, where have you seen a dyno sheet for a stock SRT-4 thats 220 or 230whp? crank perhaps...
Take into consideration that they run the same 1/4 mile time (STOCK) according to some magazines, and in some the cobalt is only 1/10 or so slower at most. I also believe thats with the cobalt being a slight bit heavier than the SRT-4.
Also, what compression is your 1.9L running 12.5 boost at? Thats about your only other variable. (for a basic calculation, nor an exact). Also, where have you seen a dyno sheet for a stock SRT-4 thats 220 or 230whp? crank perhaps...
Take into consideration that they run the same 1/4 mile time (STOCK) according to some magazines, and in some the cobalt is only 1/10 or so slower at most. I also believe thats with the cobalt being a slight bit heavier than the SRT-4.
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Finally! I thought I was fighting a losing battle!!
Originally Posted by blab10
SS/SCs and SRT-4s do not run the same times in the 1/4. Equal drivers on the same day at the same track and the SRT-4 will be .4 to .5 seconds quicker. We are not magazine racing here, we are real world racing. Before you start spouting off about what other cars dyno at maybe you should do a a little research first. SRT-4s dyno anywhere from 220-240 FWHP, not crank along with 240-260 ft/lbs torque, also at the wheels. And, yes the SRT-4 engine is a stronger engine. It can make 500+hp/tq on all stock internals before needing any upgrades.
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god this **** tore apart another thread for like a week. lets not do it all over again here.
the 2 cars are so evenly matched that if either driver ***** up, it will cost the win.
simply put, perfect world, stock for stock, Srt will win.
but we all know 2 drivers never drive the same race after race.
(trying to talk modded vs modded is stupid, dont even do it)
END OF DISCUSSION.
the 2 cars are so evenly matched that if either driver ***** up, it will cost the win.
simply put, perfect world, stock for stock, Srt will win.
but we all know 2 drivers never drive the same race after race.
(trying to talk modded vs modded is stupid, dont even do it)
END OF DISCUSSION.
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Most of the people in my area who I race with have SRt's, I am the only one with a cobalt. I will tell you that i raced the srt's (both stock and tuned) from about 40 and they all got about 1to 2 lengths ahead by the timewe got to 120 or so and i accepted defeat, I havent raced any since I got stage 2 though. Dont underestimate them, it is easy to make rediculous power with them too.
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I've raced stock for stock. Neither of us pulled on each other. It was great.
I raced my intake vs. intake, bov, and 3" turbo back = my ass got handed to me
I raced GMPP Stage 2, intake and exhaust vs. same car = his ass got handed back
I raced GMPP Stage 2, intake and exhaust vs. Stage 1 ECU, intake, bov, 3"tbe and AGP wastegate = got my ass handed to me royally
This was the same car as we both progressed through mods. He currently still beats me with my setup. This is the real deal.
I raced my intake vs. intake, bov, and 3" turbo back = my ass got handed to me
I raced GMPP Stage 2, intake and exhaust vs. same car = his ass got handed back
I raced GMPP Stage 2, intake and exhaust vs. Stage 1 ECU, intake, bov, 3"tbe and AGP wastegate = got my ass handed to me royally
This was the same car as we both progressed through mods. He currently still beats me with my setup. This is the real deal.
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(Just watch out for some SRTs when you ask what stage they are, they could have ANY combination of mods in there)
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