You are confusing two different users.


That information (testing between laminova,bar &plate, plate &fin) has been around since 04 from eaton.

 

06black 500whp+
06blackg85ss - not so much.

two different users. do a simple search.

BTW. the single pass information is out there. you're not the first to do it.

 

its typical as ssnet turns zzp there are alot of extremley smart people on here maybe if you dident come across the way you do you could learn some tricks to help move the lsj platform forward

 

i haz a belly button.

 

I didn't claim to be the first to do it. I didn't claim anything special about ZZP in any way in relation to the single pass. I merely claimed that you don't have any secrets in regard to the single pass and it's easy to do. The concept has been around.

It's amazing how people put words in my mouth making ficticious claims about what I said and then getting a bunch of people to bash me for things Area and others made up to begin with.

Eaton does not have the data needed. No one has tested it or published it. The things posted about it are not the informations needed.

 

Funny how you havent admitted that you confused the two cars either...

You love to let everyone know when your right but will fail to mention anything about being wrong.

 

Zoomer you are the one bashing people and making a big deal about it. Eaton did comparitive laminova testing. I have it . I wont share it. Call it a secret if you want. And let me correct you, you have to be out of touch if you think for a nanosecond GM did not test aftercooling to the nth degree while bringing the LSJ to market. In fact, test data for aftercooling pump flow in different iterations was done exhaustively on behalf of GM by different companies. I visited one such place while my company was under contact to the "old" GM, a company in Canada. As a matter of fact it was a cooling test Cobalt.

To let you know how much serious development the fine engineers at GM do, the LNF project began before the LSJ, and ended after LSJ went to market... GM engineers rock.


Now as for Area47 having secrets, it is possible that he has some. You see , (and let me be a dick about it) if he doesnt share the information he has, then it is....a secret.

 

Can we petition Zoomer from posting in threads that arent made by him?

You should only be allowed to advertise yourself in the vendor section only... it would stop this mess once and for all. You NEVER see OTT come in and start calling people "liars"... they show their facts and have you decide what you will... ZZP forces information on you, calls you a liar if you dont beleive it, and will follow you around threads and nut slap you for not agreeing with them..

Cause if 1 person says one thing.. and a company comes in to advertise, all it does is create a fight... we have all seen this.

 

I'm with this fgt...

 

Fix your dumb laptop my wideband is here.

 

Buy me a HD

I'm gonna try to get it done this weekend. I'll let you know.

 

Where's the dyno of said 500 and 600 HP's? You can't just claim I'm wrong or I'll just claim 2000 HP. Then we'll both just argue about claims til our motors are making infinity HP with no evidence other than hearsay. I know this one guy...
Yawn. I have pics of aliens but I won't share them. What's your point?

Let's hold you to the same standard.

I'm not trying to sell the ZZP single pass. I'm saying that there is nothing special about doing it. I'm going to share the data on it so the OP can decide if he wants to do it. If he feels it's worth buying from ZZP or someone else, than so be it but not once did I claim we have one for sale and it's better than anything else. In fact we don't have it for sale and when it is, it will still be a single pass.

OTT doesn't have anything to fight about. They don't have incentive to get people to critically think about the mods. They don't have a race car or need to prove parts better or worse because they aren't selling parts based on them being better. Different marketing and company setup. ZZP is working to establish itself as a source of valuable information and proven performance. Both in what you need and don't need. It won't be until then that the forum can progress from being a non competitive 13 second market to a 12, 11, 10 second market. There is nothing holding the cars back save for poor information. Bad advice is why 5 years later the cars here are still running mid 13's with a handful of 12's when they are 14's stock.

 

how bout everyone stfu.....zoomer needs to grow up..all this fighting all the time bout sharing info or not wanting to share info needs to stop if you want to share info post it..if you dont ..dont post and say you have info but dont want to post it..its just gonna start a thread in this direction and get nobody nowhere....this is a perfect example of why the cobalt community isnt taking seriously,,,,,,its always zoomer v/s other vendors...lnf vs lsj....seriously help one and other out we all have the same type of goals in mind,different ways of getting there....be open minded and help

 

all i heard was lies and inflated numbers.

 

I have to correct this type of mentality right here and now. Ryan built his car on his own time and he built it on a budget. He set the M62 1/4 mile record his first time out supercharged. He ran 11s on the very first pass twincharged and ran over a second faster than the next quickest LSJ his first time out. Some of the guys he is competing with have been turbocharged for years and years, and they run custom built motors. You can not possibly tell me that Ryan's car is only faster because of available budget or time. Ryan's car is faster for two reasons:

1. He has the knowledge and talent required to build a better turbo kit then other companies/members are running.

2. ZZP dyno tuned Ryan's car.

It really is that simple. There is no big budget, no unlimited timeframe, etc... Ryan built a car on his own time just like anyone else.

He should go for 700.

 

like some of us. fear of breaking holds some of us back. he and i are working together like we have in the past on some things to go above and beyond the so called norm

 

It's funny that we hear about our dyno putting out inflated numbers, yet every time we race, our trap speeds are much higher than others who claim higher hp numbers than we do. Does anybody have an explanation for this?

 

bogged at the line? missed gear? car is not stripped out?

just a few i can think of off the top of my head.

my favorite one that i use is that i'm too fat to be driving this car

driver weight reduction to begin soon

 

*****

 

talk to darkmanx. he loves the ****

 

Those would be some examples, but we are talking about people that have claimed higher HP numbers for over a year. If they didn't get down the track one time without missing gears, something is wrong. Also, our latest customer's twincharge car had no weight reduction at all. We ran it with all factory options in place. It still trapped 123 mph after putting down 383whp on our dyno.

Bogging at the line would not affect trap speeds a significant amount.

 

this thread is about single pass. Your jackass reply merits little but here it is my response. Comparative testing and research was done on this subject by Eaton engine air management operations, air induction cylinder head division. 2004. The information is confidential. I dont need to say any more.

Please, Zoomer stay out of the threads unless you have something to contribute.

I have been making single pass laminova here for 5 years now. Tough to do right. Not something I want to do every day. If someone wants them, they can buy them from Josh and Sean at Over the Top Performance. I wont sell direct. Oh and by the way, I am on track (not drag racing) every week. All my test and research information as needed goes to OTTP.

 

I never challenged the scope of Eaton's, GM's, GMRs or anyone's testing but I do have some questions. Exactly what are you contributing to this thread and who were you selling single pass LIMs to in 2004? Any reason it matters how long you've been making them?

LOL at you saying I'm trying to sell stuff and you reply telling people to buy them from OTT and that I should be banned. It's quite clear that your panties are in a bunch selling something for 5 years and now you are worried about competition. Shame on you for selling a product and keeping the effectiveness of it a secret.


We tested 3 intercooler cores at 10psi with 4 GPM of tap water going through them.

Laminova core was 2 rods 16" long each in parallel design like the LSJ, dual pass.


XS power of simliar shape and a spearco of similar shape.

Laminova core had 36 deg water in, 223 deg air in, 140 deg air out. 57 deg water out
XS power 227 deg air in, 48 deg water and 93 deg air out
Spearco 229 deg in 48 deg water, 76 deg air out. 90.7 deg water out


This testing led us to believe that the laminova cores were not that great but the tubes the cores were housed in were not from or designed by them so we didn't do much with the info but decide not to use the cores for turbo builds.

The above data was relevant for our testing at the time but does this community no real good. The testing done you and Area have your secrets about doesn't help either. Reason being is that it doesn't test at the most common CFM with changes in CFM, along with coolant saturation and a table breaking out the overall effect on system performance. That's not what Eaton or GM needed.

So what we aim to do is get this data and break it down into a clear and easy way for the end user to understand. stock IC is XX% efficient an it changes to XX with dual and XX with single. This is affected by an additional HE in XX way. Then giving a HP gain based on IAT drop so people can know exactly what they are paying for.

By having this data, it will be easy for the user to know what gains can be expect and what mods are worth doing and which are not. No one else is doing this. Banning ZZP from posting would leave you with people who claim to have secret numbers that they won't share. This doesn't help the community in any way and in many cases has people pursuing mods in the wrong direction and actually making their cars slower and less reliable. W/o ZZP this data will never come out, period. I realize that many don't care but I don't post for you. I post for the people that do want the information and sift through pages and pages of bashing, popcorn icons, random talk about ***** to water down a thread, etc just hoping that some useful information will eventually surface.

 

Agreed w/ Zoomer, tired of the random **** posts and useless "I know but its secret" posts. I will say again, looking forward to all of ZZP's further R&D.

 

...wha?
im pretty sure its not possible for the outlet water temp to be hotter than the outlet air temp, seeing as how the HE will just transfer heat over until the two are the same temperature.

was there a typo there?