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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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LOL,the whole 2.0>cam thing did not work out.
no, not at all.....
ive seen the twinscrew in action its a sweet setup, but for me, ive already invested alot of coin in my car so it makes no sense to swap, im shooting for about 300hp and yes i just about have every cooling mod minus my heat exchanger that im still waiting for,and a safe tune at wot around 11.3, i wanted to run the twinscrew to see how a pretty much stock ss with the twinscrew would stand against my car but we ran outta time.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
yeah there are a few people running hks 272 cams with better success

im a little over 3k but i got some parts used and i have everything besides meth and piston's and i mean everything.
It took me seven months to dial in the cams,and it was a frickin GM relash of all things
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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are you running a 2.7 i don't remember.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
I remembered that post after i posted and edited my comment.
cool... yea it does sorta suck if u have everything already done..

right now if say its borderline whether u should sell what u have and twinscrew it..

it depends on when someone takes the TS. full exhaust, pistons, ports the head, etc and how much more power they get than when they had all those mods and the stock blower
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
are you running a 2.7 i don't remember.
if this is directed at me then yes, its unreal on how much of a heat difference there is between a 2.7 and say a 2.85.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by distillion
no, not at all.....
ive seen the twinscrew in action its a sweet setup, but for me, ive already invested alot of coin in my car so it makes no sense to swap, im shooting for about 300hp and yes i just about have every cooling mod minus my heat exchanger that im still waiting for,and a safe tune at wot around 11.3, i wanted to run the twinscrew to see how a pretty much stock ss with the twinscrew would stand against my car but we ran outta time.
if the twin truly end up being maxed,then I think it will be a wee more difficult for me to get the eaton,i have everything else and a special intake manifold(victoryredss).Were you not getting close to hitting those #'s anyways???
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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Yeah it does suck trust me but im fine with the eaton for now

Originally Posted by distillion
if this is directed at me then yes, its unreal on how much of a heat difference there is between a 2.7 and say a 2.85.
and say a 2.7 to a 2.5 yeah i now all to well

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if the twin truly end up being maxed,then I think it will be a wee more difficult for me to get the eaton,i have everything else and a special intake manifold(victoryredss).Were you not getting close to hitting those #'s anyways???
people will go for this and you will get your blower there have to be some poineer's who blow things up so the rest of us know

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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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i was gonna drop from a 2.7 to a 2.5, but thats just too much heat even with cooling mods and the blower will be overspun to ****, i need this car everyday lol
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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if the twinscrew detonated, what would the aftermath be like?
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
I remembered that post after i posted and edited my comment.



The 272 cams use a 110LSA which is too low for our application. You don't want the cams to lope because that just bleeds off boost.
Definetly not too low and does not bleed off boost. Its one degree milder than GM's 300hp setup featured in their build book fyi.

As far as the topic, I'm fairly mixed on the subject, basically because we have stock blower cars in our area out dynoing those numbers, but its still dyno racing. /shrug
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by distillion
i was gonna drop from a 2.7 to a 2.5, but thats just too much heat even with cooling mods and the blower will be overspun to ****, i need this car everyday lol
yeah its honestly treated me goos though i have been running my 2.5 for a year now, i have been waiting for it to blow something but i have never had a problem yet

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if the twinscrew detonated, what would the aftermath be like?
it would be there. where there is money to be made the aftermarket will go

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Definetly not too low and does not bleed off boost. Its one degree milder than GM's 300hp setup featured in their build book fyi.

As far as the topic, I'm fairly mixed on the subject, basically because we have stock blower cars in our area out dynoing those numbers, but its still dyno racing. /shrug

true thats why i want to see the ts trapping 110+

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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Definetly not too low and does not bleed off boost. Its one degree milder than GM's 300hp setup featured in their build book fyi.

As far as the topic, I'm fairly mixed on the subject, basically because we have stock blower cars in our area out dynoing those numbers, but its still dyno racing. /shrug
Witt,

I retract my comments about you being an idiot for using turbo cams.

I thought the HKS 272's were a reverse split design and after reading the specs i can see that they probably run very well. Not liking the 110LSA but eh. I fucked up
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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if the twinscrew detonated, what would the aftermath be like?
not the aftermarket, the aftermath, as in: would it send shrapnel into your chest, or completely blow the motor up, etc... ??
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
Yeah it does suck trust me but im fine with the eaton for now



and say a 2.7 to a 2.5 yeah i now all to well



people will go for this and you will get your blower there have to be some poineer's who blow things up so the rest of us know
Hopefully not this time,i already did that the first time around with the head and cams.LOL
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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reading>me lol not sure and i don't want to know
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
Witt,

I retract my comments about you being an idiot for using turbo cams.

I thought the HKS 272's were a reverse split design and after reading the specs i can see that they probably run very well. Not liking the 110LSA but eh. I fucked up
Its alright. The lsa imo is fine. DSMs would suffer from exhaust reversion long before I would ever see a boost bleed effect due to overlap.
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not the aftermarket, the aftermath, as in: would it send shrapnel into your chest, or completely blow the motor up, etc... ??
I only hope its on video, kinda like those guys blowing up plastic intake manifolds.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:23 PM
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yeah that would be pretty funny to watch
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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So far, we are still comparing a stock car with a TS to the heavily modded bolt-on cars. It really should wait until you take someone with a 2.5 or so, with the supporting mods, and slap a TS on there. If that can't get you to the low 300s, I'd be suprised.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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yeah you can run the 2.8 with 60lbs and with all the cooling mods and a full exhaust and lets not forget the intake with a 50 shot of nitrous and be completely safe everyday for the rest of the cars life as long as your sprayin into tha blower....am i not correct ? but i allready know there are some ppl that will not use Nitrous... to get that magical 300 hp
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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yeah you can run the 2.8 with 60lbs and with all the cooling mods and a full exhaust and lets not forget the intake with a 50 shot of nitrous and be completely safe everyday for the rest of the cars life as long as your sprayin into tha blower....am i not correct ? but i allready know there are some ppl that will not use Nitrous
For that, you don't even need 60's. I'm running the Stg 1 tune with a 2.8 and a 50 shot, car moves hard as ****. I lost by 1.5 cars from 40-110 to an SRT that dynoed at 280/330, stock turbo full boltons and running well tuned on race gas. He outruns all the stock turbo SRTs down here.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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So far, we are still comparing a stock car with a TS to the heavily modded bolt-on cars. It really should wait until you take someone with a 2.5 or so, with the supporting mods, and slap a TS on there. If that can't get you to the low 300s, I'd be suprised.


the point of the thread was to show what you would be runnnig if you ran a 2.5 pulley on the ts and the dangers of it. I love how ppl think a twinscrew is like a small bolton or something its 3k for it and to run better it needs full exhuast

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For that, you don't even need 60's. I'm running the Stg 1 tune with a 2.8 and a 50 shot, car moves hard as ****. I lost by 1.5 cars from 40-110 to an SRT that dynoed at 280/330, stock turbo full boltons and running well tuned on race gas. He outruns all the stock turbo SRTs down here.
why don't you need 60's again

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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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yeah 3 k doesnt come easy at all but all iam sayin is my route is cheaper than the ts and i belive to be proven allready. there are a few on here sprayin on the 2.8 and making 300 all ready .... i the twin screw sounded nice at first till i got lookin at it very closely then all i saw was another heat machine on top ... if i am going to spend that kind of money i am going to upgrade my first or go full turbo
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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it is actually very efficent at disapting heat it only had a 20* change in iat2 temps on a 4th gear dyno run which is very good.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:57 PM
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lsjwannabe has a really good point. If you look at the specs on the M62, it's actually made for a motor ranging from 2.5L to 3.0L displacement, whereas we are only 2.0L displacement. The engine is built to be boosted, thus it needs a faster spinning blower to keep the same power (or improve upon it) that we already have. I'd be curious to see what the 1.6L Lysholm could do for us. Of course, pushing that much air would probably mean a larger pulley (>3"), but that's fine. Fewer revs/min = longer blower lifetime and cooler IAT2s...and longer engine life. However, do we have enough umph to suitably use the 1.6L?
Personally, I'll stick with the stock blower, and maybe someday twincharge.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:57 PM
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yeah but at 3k turbo would run even cooler.. i plan on building off of the stock blower also.... when that fails ..i will give hahn a call
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