idk i keep hearing so much hate from hahn its honestly not the best thing out there but for what it is, it does exactly what it says it should do. it was very satifying for what i wanted out of my car when i had it. It had great spool time, awesome top end power, good powerband, and awesome for the highway and dd city driving, also NOT one part of my hahn kit gave me an issue ever

 

Meh. If you get the stage2 you'll need

intercooler
intake manifold
custom charge piping zzp won't fit
couplers
t bolt clamps
bov

maybe some other odds and ends, but you won't be able to interchange zzp with the hahn because of the way hahn runs their cp. you'd have to get piping fabbed.

 

This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear. I mean I have ZZP Stage 3 on my car right now and am very happy with ZZP products, but if there was a route that I could go that would be a little cheaper and still give me the power gains that I would want, then I want to take that route. Thank you again for a nice clear cut answer

 

I can take it just fine. Notice I didn't react because I don't care what you say about my car?

You did make it seem like going turbo was a BIG difference. That is not the case in every situation. I never talked **** I was honestly just having fun with you. You, my friend, can't take a little heat.

I'm done talking about this

 

Thanks! Yea I wasn't too sure about how all of that worked. It kinda seems dumb that Hahn would even offer that Stage 1 or 2 kit. I would think that to have good success from your turbo, you would want to have the intercooler and charge piping

 

It's always best to put your own kit together imo. There are plenty of people here that can help and a lot of used parts available for good prices

 

Thanks if you feel the need to attempt to clutter a thread with useless bs next time just pm me i'll be glad to see how you really feel.

 

Yea I mean you can do it and prob save a G or 2, you just have to know what you need though. Personally right now I have cx racing intercooler and charge piping cause ZZP's cp and stuff wasn't guaranteed to fit so I just did it that way. Works fine for now if I start seeing bad heatsoak and stuff i'll get a diff IC but meh. I will say that putting stuff together like that on your own kinda one off piece crap isn't the most fun at times lol I had a log mani and switched to the lk9 and just odds and ends parts that slowed putting it together down immensely.

 

yea i have to agree its very dumb that hahn has all those stage kits, but i guess they did it thinking alot of people just need certain parts since theres also plenty of other ways to come out with the other parts your missing.

 

Yea I have been thinking that it could become a real pain in the ass if parts don't fit or whatnot. Thats why I think I will prolly just end up doing an entire kit and being done with it.

 

Whichever you go with hahn or zzp, the full kit will make it the most carefree. You know you have all the parts you need and I know zzp labels everything for you also so it's idiot proof just turn the bolts haha. The s/c things cool I guess if that's what you're into, but now that I've switched I'll never go back haha.

 

I doubt I will go TVS for the simple fact that I really don't feel like doing e85 and meth. From what I hear thats what will get the full potential out of it. With doing the turbo swap I won't have to worry about anything as far as internals go will I?

 

nah blkwdo is like 430-450 iirc stock internals me personally won't go much above 400. it all depends on the car, 400 is probably going to blow eventually if you beat it all the time 350 or so prob last a long time. Everybodys car is different though. If you get the hahn kit s20g or the zzp s252et you get quick spool and both capable of 400 the s20g prob a lil harder the s252 will do it no prob.

 

Thanks alot man! I really do appreciate all the help...I was really reluctant to ask for help since all I ever see people saying is to use the "search" button lol Everyone has been quite helpful and it's quite a relief

 

It's all good, turbo setups all can vary way too much for people to say use search .
You're in good hands with james as well except he'll try to make your clutch slip

 

HAHA yea he has been pretty helpful with the entire process. Good thing I picked up a KY Clutch the last time I went down there. We will be putting that in pretty soon and then doing the turbo swap im sure

 

Yep, stock internals can handle a lot depending on how you treat the car and the TUNING. Tuning being the absolutely most important part for longevity of your car.

Mine doesnt just make that much WHP, it also has 175k miles on them (still original motor). I love my LSJ. Its a very capable car with the right work and parts.

The s20g does not produce the lb/min that the BW units do. It can get to the 400 region but it begins to get out of its efficiency range. Which in turn creates heat, you have to pull timing/add fuel to insulate the cylinders and less timing/more fuel reduces HP. The BW units can more easily make 400 because of their efficiency there. They are also a more expensive turbo by comparison.

The k04 will you get you to where you want to go I promise. and will do it cheaply, you will need to piece a few things together but nothing that cant be had for a reasonable price.

l8r,
PD

 

If price is a concern just keep your eyes out in the for sale thread for deals. Honestly don't rush it. You can piece a kit together pretty easily and if you cheap out and buy an ebay turbo it's not the end of the world they are ok for what they are and can at least get you started. Things you want really nice are the intake/exhaust mani, wastegate etc...

edit:
the more I think about it this might be the best way for you to go. You can get a decent treadstone intercooler for what like 300 bucs of something like that? Find a shop that is capable of an install and see if they can fab your charge piping. One thing I wish I had atm is that PERFECT fitment. I have a really nice intake mani I was lucky to get but you could get the sabb one for pretty cheap and it seems to work well on other's build.

 

You can guarantee fitment with a kit. If you are worried in any way or havent done a turbo setup before, a kit is the way to go.

good luck with it all.

l8r,
PD