a fully built LSJ with every possible supporting mod & a kick ass tune can most definately hit 400whp w/ the TVS. Area47 is just under 350whp on his STREET TUNE! and the only internal mod he has are upgraded valve springs. yea he has all the supporting mods & he is an amazing tuner.... so only God knows what his TRACK TUNE puts out. but point is that it is possible and Area47 is proving it.

 

im just proving it can be done. nothing more. nothing i have done is unreachable in terms of using the tvs.

i will say i have pulled well into the 290ft lbs to the tire with the tvs. nothing major done other than timing work.

it's not that it can't make power, you just have to get past the factory hurdles before it can truly show what it can do

 

What do you mean factory hurdles?

 

HAhahaa....

Theres no way hes going to answer that.. lol

And i dont blame him... its probly taken him some time and work to figure it out..

 

the problem starts on the back side of the motor. the intake manifold is not the problem.

 

exhaust side of the head.bldtriuliuoh[vengnwn;;l v.w.

 

Yep you in?

Ya once you look at it its very noticeable.

 

most of the members here will not have a shop with a dyno, and will be installing this on their daily driver.

not everyone has a shop and a few cars to mess around with and does this kind of thing for a living like you do. give a little credit where credit is due.

you apparently do have something against the tvs, because every thread about the tvs, somewhere along the lines you post in with some reason not to buy it.. probably because you don't sell it. you are losing your customer base, with your arrogant, know-it-all posts. you can sit there and say that your revenues are up, customer bases are expanding.. whatever, but i can honestly say you don't have a good rep here on the cobalt boards any more.



if acting like an ass everytime you post is makes you feel better... by all means, go for it. keep solidifying your stellar image

 

I can't believe I sat here and read this thread. The arguments and yelling matches are insane on this forum anymore and everyone needs to get off their f-ing high-horse and realize we're all the same community and this SHOULD all be FRIENDLY COMPETITION. What's the matter with you guys (not all of you, the main trouble makers are obvious).

I think in this whole thread there was about 5 posts that were of actual value. Everyone needs to chill.

/rant

 

Again, you're arguing for me not you. You are right that most people do not have a dyno. This is exactly why 350WHP is unrealistic. How can you tell someone that it's realistic to expect more HP than most people who have dyno'd are getting; when they will not even have a dyno to tune the car? You're point proves mine.

I have a lot of info I can provide to the community. Our company has resources that others do not. I could go on and on talking about mods (and usually do) which others cannot test. The "upgraded IC pump" thread is a great example. I DO know more than people here. Not because I'm better than anyone else but because my position puts me in a unique position to research this stuff. Once people accept this you'll be a lot better off, spending less money on more reliable parts that make more HP. Attitudes like yours probably scared off the technical people and it's why this is still a 13 second community 3 years in.

In terms of you being "honest" I believe you think you are. But you are ignoring what I've told you and asking me not to ignore you. Why would I take your advice when you only see one side of things? You and I both read the same posts, we both belong to the community but only I know my business and answer emails and PMs. To repeat my prior posts. I have been through this before. I could almost cut and paste from other forums in the 3800 platform exactly what you and other bashers are saying. I've even posted links before which everyone seems to busy to read. All these debates, all these flames, the whole "your runing your business" bit. It's a broken record. But we sell more 3800 parts than every other vendor combined. So clearly had I listened then (or now) I would not be building a business in the same way which is very successful. It's amazing in forums that customers always know better than business owners how to run things. And you know, MAYBE you do. But odds are most people do not. So ZZP will continue to relese products every week, race cars, set records and inform the community as we have been. I suspect it will only be a few months before the tide shifts and people publicly appreciate what we're doing. I think this is because most people don't give 2 ***** what people are talking about, they don't care if someone is rude or nice. Customer in the end want inexpensive, reliable products that will make their car go fast. Customers don't care if the guy selling something is nice, they care about their own car and what the product is, what it does, and what it costs. Most people want to learn and don't even post. Some want to post and get in on some drama and start flame wars. ZZP doesn't sell drama and flames, we sell parts.

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I'm giving advice to a guy who wants to make 350WHP, what are you doing? Did you give any advice? Did you tell him what he can realistically expect from a TVS bolt on? Or did you keep to yourself because answering his question would be "acting like an ass"?

 

Don't take this the wrong way but, you have nothing to add to this thread. You have not tuned nor tested a tvs car. I don't think you’re in the right place to speak about it based on dyno numbers from other users. Than you criticize other people for quoting the same things other wise. Truth of the matter is everyone knows a turbo can make more horsepower, I believe the questions that he was asking was is 350 whp doable. In my opinion it sure is, granted not as easy as a turbo setup but that was not the question posed was it?

 

I'm giving advice to a guy who wants to make 350WHP, what are you doing? Did you give any advice? Did you tell him what he can realistically expect from a TVS bolt on? Or did you keep to yourself because answering his question would be "acting like an ass"?[/QUOTE]

Its NOT always WHAT you say but HOW you say it. Zoomer, you are so perfect, and you try to make everyone feel so INFERIOR, I have no idea how you think you can win friends and influence people. YOU CANT. The "TIDE SHIFTS" . Your words. It has. AWAY....I bet there has been probably a couple of dozen TVS sold by Harrop this month through their supplier OTTP. I am happy to say I signed up for one. YOUR twincharge customer convinced me in a short time to stay FAR away from your product. Another customer had such a bad experience with your header you refunded his money. So for sure Zoomer, it gives me no joy to say that for you and your hardworking staff (they have to put up with YOU) , the customers are voting with their feet...

 

I'm the only one who got in this thread and posted actual dyno numbers about the product being talked about. Everyone else talked about what the TVS can do, why their car didn't dyno over 300, why I don't know anything and shouldn't post, how ZZP's business sucks, etc. I didn't make a single post about selling this guy anything but everyone in here wants to fight about that. something I never said.

So once again my post here will probably be ignored and you'll bash me for something else rather than acknowledging that fact that I am the only one who gave this guy information on what he can realistically expect. I then got flamed for posting links to other posts with dynos. Why not go flame those guys for what they dyno'd and posted instead of flaming me? You seem to be pissed about the numbers and at the same time claim I haven't worked on the TVS cars. Go after them.
I'll try and work on your feelings in the "other topics" part of this forum. We're in the "engine technical" part of the forum and I don't want to get the thread moved.

 

And we lost it... Call a time doc? "Death @10:59am"

These threads always go south

 

Did you even read my post?

This thread is just that about what the tvs has done and can do. The questions was posed "what can the tvs do"?

Why are you changing the subject? I'm not another user telling you "you suck" blah blah blah. I made a statement that you have niether tested nor tuned a tvs car. Which by your own admission is true.

I have actually been talking with the op via pm about his setup and where he could go becuase its pointless to come back to this thread.

I could really care less what a car will dyno becuase at the end of the day its just bragging rights and just numbers. The end result will make most customers happy with a realiable tested and proven product.

 

I agree that track times are fun, but when it comes to evaluating power adders, 1/4 miles aren't something I would use, I think it's pretty much an industry standard to use a dyno.

 

You are changing the subject by implying that I said a TVS wasn't capable of 350WHP or that it's not a reliable product. I didn't say either. You're lying about what I said, ignoring the facts of what people have dyno'd, changing what the original poster asked, and calling me out on unrelated topics.

Let me remind you of the original post:
You're reply is that you "could really care less what a car will dyno" which is contradictory to what the poster asked. But as you admitted you could care less.

Again, I posted with what he can expect out of a TVS with actual dyno numbers from this forum. You did not. No one else did either. So I was the only one to truthfully answer the question, yet I'm the only one to get flamed.
I completely agree and I think the best way to answer someone who asks "what can I expect", is with honesty. If they have a given mod list, the best way to answer the question is not to post a list of excuses and possible paper dyno numbers in a perfect world, the best way to answer is to say "here is a list of people with similar mods and what they have achieved" That's what I did.

 

I am disappointed to see someone not able to take constructive criticism/customer response so horribly.

TVS can make 350 WHP with some elbow grease and knowledge, it is not as simple as bolting on the blower, and throwing smaller pullies on it. Be careful, think it through, and be smart about it.

Then nab one of the 23541234543 million LNF fanbois who think they are the **** at a light and destroy em.

 

See post 51

When did i say you said the tvs was not capable of 350 whp? Show me the post please.

Actually you said it was unrealistic in a prior post.

I said "i could care less what it dyno's" meaning i could care less becuase i perfer street/track performance over what i do on a dyno. I did however provide those numbers which you over looked yet again.

I'm trying to be nice about this. It is not worth my time with you though becuase you fail to see anyone's points but your own.

 

:gasp:

A whole opinion on your own?

You better watch out man, people get scared when people think on their own......especially around here.

Have their own thoughts and ideas.

/end sarcasm


It is funny, no one ever wants to admit that their point of view is wrong, but if people did, it would help the community as a whole.

 

can a tvs on a stock motor make 350whp?
yes it sure can.

is everyone that owns a tvs going to push it hard enough to do so?
no.

i can think of three people on here who have pushed it hard enough to do it. myself being one of them.

do i know the limits of the head when the supercharger is used?
yes, i hit that wall and stopped. someone else here went beyond 25 psi and crammed it hard. above this point the amount of air flow needed to gain a single horsepower increases exponentially.

will a turbo make more power?
yes.

does everyone want a turbo kit?
no.

which car hits the apex of a corner and comes out harder, roots blower, or big turbo?
roots blower.
why?
no lag, and the blower car is off and running coming from peak torque to peak horsepower, while the turbo car is waiting for full spool and a surge of power.

not everyone wants a turbo car. some of us like challenges. some don't. some of us do things besides drag racing and the texas mile/silverstate classic runs.

THIS right here, is the truth.

 

you can do it!

 

hey zoomer , shouldnt you be fixing faulty products instead of making new ones....

 

If you have a problem with a product you bought feel free to email customer service about it and it will get taken care of. If you purchased from ZZP, feel free to post in the appropriate sections of this forum about your experience. If you are going to get in unrelated threads and bash our products and company with unsubstantiated claims that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, I will report you to the moderators and have you banned for a complete disregard of forum rules.

 

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