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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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2K5SS/SC, what is going on with the end plate on the IM on that twinscrew setup?


Ok as you can see in this picture the end plate is installed. It works the same as the dual pass setup, but it has two coolant hoses connected to the center due to machining constraints. You just put a "Y" or "T" fitting to connect them. Center in, outside out just like the dual-pass mod. The top tube with the coupler attaches goes to a regular bypass valve that looks like a blow off valve and the other coupler attaches to the underside of the blower inlet.

As a side note, you guys can order the Kenne Bell 1.33L blower as it's on their price list again.

AR1.33B $1499.00 BLACK 1.33 SUPERCHARGER ONLY
AR1.33P $1699.00 POLISHED 1.33 SUPERCHARGER ONLY

If you really wanted to pursue this, contact Vulcan since they are currently designing custom intake manifolds, and I bet they could fab something up.

$1499 for the blower
$300 for the snout
$600 for the Intake Manifold
$??? for a custom blower inlet with bypass valve (Parts for this can be ordered from Whipple)

$3500ish total for a setup like this to be done.
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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?


Ok as you can see in this picture the end plate is installed. It works the same as the dual pass setup, but it has two coolant hoses connected to the center due to machining constraints. You just put a "Y" or "T" fitting to connect them. Center in, outside out just like the dual-pass mod. The top tube with the coupler attaches goes to a regular bypass valve that looks like a blow off valve and the other coupler attaches to the underside of the blower inlet.

As a side note, you guys can order the Kenne Bell 1.33L blower as it's on their price list again.

AR1.33B $1499.00 BLACK 1.33 SUPERCHARGER ONLY
AR1.33P $1699.00 POLISHED 1.33 SUPERCHARGER ONLY

If you really wanted to pursue this, contact Vulcan since they are currently designing custom intake manifolds, and I bet they could fab something up.

$1499 for the blower
$300 for the snout
$600 for the Intake Manifold
$??? for a custom blower inlet with bypass valve (Parts for this can be ordered from Whipple)

$3500ish total for a setup like this to be done.
thats a hell of a lot of money.

wouldn't it be a lot more efficient to run a turbo instead?

i mean i know you guys say you love the whine, but honestly. is it worth the 3500 bucks?
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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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not all the people want to go turbo
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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 01:29 PM
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not all the people want to go turbo
x2 !!!
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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blackbolt89
thats a hell of a lot of money.

wouldn't it be a lot more efficient to run a turbo instead?

i mean i know you guys say you love the whine, but honestly. is it worth the 3500 bucks?
It's all in what you want. A properly sized twinscrew will give to the ability to have a very nice top end, low IAT's, and a torque curve (or lack thereof if you will) that is incredible. It's all in what you want. It cost me about $3500 for my twinscrew setup and about two years of testing, tuning, redesigning, and waiting for the product to be finalized. It was no where near the caliber a Kenne Bell one would be, but it was an interesting learning point for me. The TVS wasn't even thought of when I conjured my twinscrew idea up and turned it into reality, so it was all new territory.

Personally in the best bang for your buck theory, the TVS takes the cake right now for aftermarket superchargers on the SS/SC.
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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 11:56 PM
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So the whole point of the endplate asides from the dual-pass is to accommodate the boost bypass? Why not retrofit the stock plate?
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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flatgod
So the whole point of the endplate asides from the dual-pass is to accommodate the boost bypass? Why not retrofit the stock plate?
Yes, it was to accomodate the boost bypass valve. I'm sure the stock plate could have been cut and modified, but Rebel decided to make their own plate for a nice billet piece.

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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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I contacted KB about the 1.33L already - they will not sell the supercharger alone. I don't know why the hell they even bother listing the prices separately. I even asked about designing the kit for them to make, and got no response.

I'm thus far very unimpressed with Kenne Bell's technical service.
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 12:50 AM
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The Harrop for 1900 seems way more viable. All you need is bigger injectors, an upgraded fuel system, and correct tuning. All of that is way easy, so you basically got a bolt on SC that's .32l bigger than your stock. And consider the fact that .32l bigger in a SC is a huge power gain, regardless of how you look at it.

No matter what you buy, you're going to have to spend some money to upgrade certain parts. There's never going to be a flat price, but ZZPerformance spent a lot of time making sure that their SC would work well on the LSJ.

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1064&catid=143
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 01:04 AM
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but ZZPerformance spent a lot of time making sure that their SC would work well on the LSJ.

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1064&catid=143
ZZP just sells it like OTTP.
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Backdrift
The Harrop for 1900 seems way more viable. All you need is bigger injectors, an upgraded fuel system, and correct tuning. All of that is way easy, so you basically got a bolt on SC that's .32l bigger than your stock. And consider the fact that .32l bigger in a SC is a huge power gain, regardless of how you look at it.

No matter what you buy, you're going to have to spend some money to upgrade certain parts. There's never going to be a flat price, but ZZPerformance spent a lot of time making sure that their SC would work well on the LSJ.

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1064&catid=143
so...umm....yea...
you first say the TVS 1900, but then reference a .32l displacement increase, which would suggest you're talking about the TVS 1320
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 03:20 AM
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gotta love that twin screw sounds ******* deadly i would way rather have it than tvs needs more work but that whine is awsome!!!!!!!!!
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Backdrift
The Harrop for 1900 seems way more viable. All you need is bigger injectors, an upgraded fuel system, and correct tuning. All of that is way easy, so you basically got a bolt on SC that's .32l bigger than your stock. And consider the fact that .32l bigger in a SC is a huge power gain, regardless of how you look at it.

No matter what you buy, you're going to have to spend some money to upgrade certain parts. There's never going to be a flat price, but ZZPerformance spent a lot of time making sure that their SC would work well on the LSJ.

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1064&catid=143
Slightly confused - the TVS 1900 is a 1.9L - 0.9L larger than the m62.

Either way, the TVS is still a blower - there is no internal compression, and at higher boost levels (20+) that's quite a detriment.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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i would love to have the harrop 1900....having a supercharger that is almost the same size as your engine would be nice. Still love the fact that the blower has more air/size then a honda civic engine...lol
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Perfect.disguise
ZZP just sells it like OTTP.
they have one.

There not a authorized dealer with harrop
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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will ottp be selling the harrop 1900?
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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will ottp be selling the harrop 1900?
Thats not harrop.

The maggie.

We will not, that is to much blower for the car.

There is a reason so much time and development was put into the 1320 to make it a bolt on solution for the lsj.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Doward
Slightly confused - the TVS 1900 is a 1.9L - 0.9L larger than the m62.

Either way, the TVS is still a blower - there is no internal compression, and at higher boost levels (20+) that's quite a detriment.

I was talking about the price. RE-read the post . "The Harrop for 1900..."
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Backdrift
The Harrop for 1900 seems way more viable. All you need is bigger injectors, an upgraded fuel system, and correct tuning. All of that is way easy, so you basically got a bolt on SC that's .32l bigger than your stock. And consider the fact that .32l bigger in a SC is a huge power gain, regardless of how you look at it.

No matter what you buy, you're going to have to spend some money to upgrade certain parts. There's never going to be a flat price, but ZZPerformance spent a lot of time making sure that their SC would work well on the LSJ.

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1064&catid=143
zzp never worked with the devolpment of that blower.

That was done by harrop.

Tested by users on here (myself being one)
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
zzp never worked with the devolpment of that blower.

That was done by harrop.

Tested by users on here (myself being one)
Fair enough. Just going by information that I've seen around, didn't really research it on the forums here.

No need for any hostility peeps.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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Not being hostile just stating facts
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