why not areas tvs cobalt vs watever the hell zoomer owns.

 

yes please 6 speed your car and run low 10's. Jesus.

 

Zoom's GP went 10s on the supercharger and 9s on the twincharge build, so that wouldn't be very fair. How about Zoom's blue Cobalt? That one runs 11s, so that would be much closer.

 

that sounds fine. and since when did he run 11s?

 

Wow! After 3 1/2 years I finally beat the lock. Yes, ZZP's marketing sucks. May I recommend a good book?



I have also asked questions and not been given many answers. I'm not gonna drop $3,000-ish dollars for something I know nothing about. Customer Service is key in not only keeping customers, but acquiring, and keeping, new ones.

As for whether or not ZZP knows what they are doing, my sources tell me that they initially screwed up big in the Cobalt Community, however seem to be heading in the right direction. ZZP, if you fix your marketing problems, which this book will identify by chapter 2, you will be headed in a better business direction.

Here's to hoping for a quality product and good results.

 

subd for fun

 

STFU BUY MY SHORTBLOCK IT RUNS 11s. What parts are in the engine, stfu it runs 11s

 

If that is what you read, then I can assure you that the issue is on your end.

 

What parts do you use to achieve the 2.3 stroke?

 

why would they release the info if other companies will copy and sell it for cheaper?
if there is a market beside them with said product then it makes sense to show the stats.

 

sharing some info about it isnt going to hurt anything, the secret is not to tell too much. ive been involved with a lot of race engines, if i was asked what rods and pistons were in the motor, id say what they were. however just knowing they are Aries pistons and Brooks 88 rods doesnt help anyone in figuring out your secret engine combo as they cant just call up the company and order the parts. anyone building a high performance engine isnt going to use all off the shelf parts, everything is going to be to their own spec. if you are using all off the shelf parts then your motor is really no different than anything anyone could screw together. the biggest reason potential customers would want to know what parts are in the engine is to make sure its all high quality parts. if they find out you were using some unknown brand of pistons they might be more apprehensive to send the buisness your way.

imho, you guys dont yet have the reputation in the cobalt community to have the attitude you seem to. mabey you guys have the reputation in the grand prix community and you might have the accomplishments and many happy customers to warrent that, however, in the cobalt community you dont yet have that many customer cars putting the big power down, and you dont yet have the customers saying that your big builds are the best. mabey you will have that in the future, but again imho, the arrogance you seem to be displaying that your products are 2nd to none and your compatition is incompotent, then you will end up hurting your buisness in the end.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by 2.3 stroke. The stroke is 3.9". This is listed in the link posted on page 1. "Displacement is increased to 2.3 liters by changing out the crankshaft. Stroke is increased from 3.4 to 3.9 inches"

 

You think zoomer would mind going on a lunch date with me to talk this over?

 

I'm sure Zoom would have no problem with having lunch with you if you were in town. The date thing sounds a bit odd, however.

 

i love how the usual defense is the make claims that i lie.

fine by me. have at it. you're not going to tarnish any shred of reputation i have anyways. i just find it all hilarious in the end.

p.s. darkmanx loves the ****

 

w/e floats his boat lol

 

um i wouldn't give a **** what was in there. if it ran 11's and didn't blow up and lasted hell it could be parts made in china for all i gave a ****.

this is exactly why they are most likely doing it. people don't understand. they want someone to invest time and effort and not get paid for it. yes please do testing etc. and waste money and then tell me the ingredients to your secret sauce so i don't have to pay. but what are you going to expect on this forum lol.

oh this thread is f'in awesome as well lol

 

F.U fagget. Hey you got a pm

Zoomer does.

 

thats hot

 

again, im betting that they used a machined LE5 crank. That would make a 2.277L engine. They also probably machined it down a bit to reduce pumping and windage losses

 

If I was who bought one of their engines, I'd like to know what is done.

 

not defending zp in any way, but matt noted that the crank is 3.900" stroke, meaning its 99.06mm stroke. the 2.4l crank is 98mm, or 3.850". now unless they are offset grinding the 2.4l crank and running .030" under bearings, they arent using a 2.4l crank. offset grinding a crank will weaken it and is far from ideal. i also hope they wouldnt be building a motor that they hope to push big power using a cast crank.

offset grinding a crank can be used to increase or decrease the stroke of a crank. i have done it before to decrease the stroke. we were putting 3 new motors together and had just received 3 brand new crower cranks and nhra decreased the max displacment in our class from 472ci to 466ci. offset grind the cranks .020" and we now have a 464ci motor instead of a 470. not ideal, but turned 3 $3500 paperweights into usable race parts, and we never had an issue with any of them, however we are talking forged cranks.

 

See this is the exact reason why people need to more about their build. Say you were running 11's perfectly, then one day you added a couple more pounds of boost wanting to go faster and the crank snapped, the rod broke, or a sleeve cracked. Would you be pissed to finally know that they used a 2.4L crank which is not forged like the LSJ one and cannot hold the same sort of power, there was only a stock LSJ rod failed, or since the block wasn't sleeved it destroyed your 3-4K dollar investment.

To me, not planning for your individual goals when doing a motor build is flat out irresponsible on the owners part.

 

11's is all i would need for that. and if it blew up because i turned up the boost etc. it would be my fault if they said it's built for the lower.

 

See engine parts are built for HP tolerance not whether it will run 11's. This is the reason why knowing the crank will withstand 750hp, the rods will withstand XXXhp, and the pistons will withstand XXXhp is vital to an engine build and to the person that owns it. Nevermind getting into the extra factors that make or break engine builds as well.