I would like it if all the moderating had to do in this post is say "knock it off". So please do.

There is a valid point being discussed. Discuss it, but don't get angry over it. Geeesh...

 

i totally agree

maybe i missed the difference in manifolds between my cav and my cobalt ecotecs cause my finger was in the way when picking my snotty nose

well i guess taking both off, taking pictures of each, and a video of me swapping them might help. maybe i should take the throttle bodies off too and get pics of them side by side

its kinda hard to do with only one free hand, seeing as the other is busy picking my snotty nose.

hey WopOnTour, im assuming you have two free hands, think you could post a pic of your intake manifold without your throttle body?

by the way, did i mention that im picking my snotty nose?

 

not to jump in on the "who knows what" pissing contest but Wop is probably one of the most educated car guys on both the cobalt and ion sites and if there is one go-to guy around here he is definitely one of them. if hes got some input on an issue I'd take it into consideration.

 

lol this isnt civickiller vs wopontour, its me vs wopontour

i told him to go look under his hood cause he was wrong and i know this, but apparently that makes me a snotty nose picker

EDIT: k i understand i have been warned before but seriously, look above, there is not one god damn thing that i said that wasnt contributing to the topic. if you want to make guesses at parts that work/dont work, then have someone confirm for you, then respect that, sometimes being on a forum doesnt provide you with the same information that you can get by looking under the hood of a car.

 

Thanks for the advice. I'll attempt to open more hoods!
WOT

 

looking at these pictures it doesn't even look like the bolt holes line up in the first place

actually after comparing those two pictures I'm gonna have to question the fitment on this as well...that does not look 'exactly the same to me'

 

Well the TAC throttle body has 2 sets of mounting holes for that top bolt. But I'm wondering about sealing around the main bore of throttle body itself. The venom was clearly designed for an IAC valve. Fill it with JB Weld? Again (like I stated above MAYBE it wont make any difference- does anyone KNOW of someone with a TAC throttlebody on top of the Venom??
WOT

 

the jbody ecotecs vs the delta ecotecs have the exact same bolt pattern for installation. the only reason i could see for the venom intake manifold not fitting would be clearance, which nobody has once mentioned.

the ecotec stock manifold for cavaliers, cobalts, ions, etc etc is part #24467211. please post a part number for otherwise. i really would like to know what pictures you are examining and how you can or cant see how it would fit by looking at it.

drive by wire system has electronic control of the throttle body as opposed to drive by cable which has control via cable. the issue with sealing will only change the type of seal to replace, not a deal breaker. the two throttle bodies are simmilar in all respects except control. roadrunners and my cars both have throttle body spacers designed to fit older ecotec cavailers and the only thing that i needed to change was a couple bolts.

if i am misunderstanding something here, please post a reply and i will correct myself.

the four of us are posting comments fairly regularly and we are bound to butt heads again im sure but i think we just need to take a min to relax. this is pretty damn stupid.

 

one last post, i think i understand what you are saying. here is my suggestion at a resolution.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...957#post218957

 

LOL... I will see if i can end the argument soon.. First i will contact Venom to see what they say... and if i can get a thumbs up that it will work i will get if from nopi and get it installed... I will let u all know what happpens so we can get this debate over with.. IF ANYONE GETS ONE SOON PLEASE LET ALL OF US KNOW WHATS UP!!!

Thanks everyone for the advice

 

save your time, i just called, they dont make them anymore, the reason is that they could not get a successful product. they only ever made 4 and all of them came back because they caused problems.

 

Funny you should say that because I was going to say don't waste your time buying it. It's an overpriced and overated product.

My suggestion is buying an Saab 9-3 Manfiold (2003-2006 2.0 ECOTEC Turbo) and porting. Those are alluminum and I'm willing to bet they flow at a higher rate because they are off a boosted motor.

 

yeah but if you try going to gm for them, its like pulling teeth to get them to order you one.

 

Actually it isn't...

I was about to purchase one but I didn't have enough money on me at that time. Just go to a Saab Dealership, tell them that you want the intake manifold and gasket off an 2.0 ECOTEC Turbo motor that's on the Saab 9-3s from 2003-2006. If they ask if it's the L.O. or H.O. model, tell them the H.O. model.

 

I went around to a few dealerships and tried and got the same snitty replies from all of their parts departments. Unless i have a reason to have the part ordered by a gm representative in the service department, theres no reason for me to purchase that part.

maybe i would have better odds if i asked someone at a dealership in the states next time i am there.

i also tried gm parts direct, no such luck.

 

Sucks but don't give up. Call into the states like Buffalo or something and see if they will ship it to you.

 

i actually have an address in the states, but i just assumed all gm dealers (Canada and U.S) would be unwilling to sell the part. next time i am there, i will give it a go.

thanks

 

Good luck and you're welcome

 

So this would be a direct bolt on to the 2.2l ecotecs we have??? any special mods besides porting it???

 

Yep should bolt right up to the head. I believe you also would have to drill and tap an extra hole for the stock throttle body, unless you want to swap for the Saab one.

So what was the differenced between the LO and HO ones NJHK? I think a few of my Ion guys contacted you about this a few weeks ago actually when we found out about this via JBO.

 

Yes it will bolt right up.

Honestly, I doubt there is a real difference between the manifolds on the LO and the HO. I know that the difference between the LO and HO is horsepower which has to deal with the PSI they run. I know the HO runs around 10 or 12 PSI max on the wastegate (they use small mitsubishi turbos).

The only reason I say tell them HO is just incase there is a difference that we don't know about...

 

haha yeah, better safe then sorry, thanks for the info though

are you running the TB you had before or did you switch it out?

 

Oh, I never did the manifold swap but I inspire to soon...just need the money. I'm also going to have it ported as well.

But right now I'm running the RSM 62 MM throttle body which is basically a ported out stock throttle body fitted with a bigger butterfly plate.

 

you can just go in and buy it thats what i did. As im the one who discovered this

Im the original one to do this mod. yes it bolts up just fine. only problem is one t/b hole is off so you have to drill and tap the manifold......thats it... If you are gonna bash it or whant not take your comments elsewhere, it worrk and im happy w/ the reults. and as for the comments about heat soak.....yea there isnt any

here is the only pic uploaded i have of it.
btw its only about 150 bucks. Just go in give em the part number and they should order it. dont tell them its for a cavaliercobalt or anyhting......just tell them you are pickin it up cause you cracked yours. thats it

This manifold is only good for boosted applications, we tried it out on a stock n/a car and it had major loss in power. but when put up against a car w/ the same boost, same turbo kit the metal manifold prevailed.

**Once again this is not any good for n/a**

 

Hey Bro!

I would have given you credit but didn't think anyone would know who you were and I had no idea you were on here.

Thanks again for the info.