09LAP

i get what your saying bro but he should b fine as long as he gets it tuned soon. Also i dont think he'll do damage with just a few mm difference, will he loose gas mileage sure but he got it for power. Im sure you'll agree that not a single aftermarket engine mod on our cars is used to its full potential untill its tuned. If he got it he'll tune it

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iTrader: (9)

yes!

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iTrader: (9)

i agree with the red.. not so much with the blue.. you dont wanna **** with fuel trims too much.. im still confused as to why this car is running fine.. every single case ive read about needed a tune cuz the car would barely run/move without throwing a code

drumrush

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thank you. yeah, it might not destroy his car, but my point is that you should just wait until your tuned to install it. it can damage your engine, and its not worth the risk.

listen to me or not, im just stating my (proven) opinion.

and unless somebody pisses me off im done here.

09LAP

i see it now, i get wat your saying

drumrush

iTrader: (8)

ok good. i just dont want to see anyone on here ruin their cars because of a bit of misinformation

gdubs

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He will be fine w/o a tune as long as he doesn't beat on it.
He's an extremely knowledgeable GMTECH. And the only guy allowed to touch my car at the dealer. He is also the areas top Corvette Tech
I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing

09LAP

thats wat i was thinking but ill admit it im no tuner by any means i dont know shiz about trims AFR's and so on but im a fighter aircraft mechanic so im no stranger to turning a wrench. just dont know too much about PCM function and such

drumrush

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i dont doubt that, im basically just saying be careful. ive seen multiple people throw on a 2.4 tb w/o a tune and go limp or run like ****. the only people i was getting pissed at were the completely misinformed, such as saying that the intake manifold needed a tune, not the tb.

09LAP

so drumrush ever get a chance to look at this: Stock ECOTEC intake manifold SUCKS! - Performance Forum - j-body.org - the jbody organization

drumrush

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what about it? he ported his stock manifold? is there something i missed? honest question

09LAP

i was just wondering wat you think about porting the stock manifold, both ends with a LSJ TB adapter plate harness and a ported plate with tune?

drumrush

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ive heard of somebody doing it or at least planning to do it on his balt, but i dont feel the need. my 2.4 manifold should have more than enough flow for a basic trifecta tune. but it couldnt hurt either, i just dont want to risk damaging mine. they seem to be getting in short supply and CED's kit jumped up from 340 to 540 or something like that. so im not gonna risk it haha

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iTrader: (9)

same here.. screw risking porting for the minimal gain at best. ill take throwing on a tune and 2.4IM over that anyday.. not to mention how much easier it is

09LAP

dam ya i def dont wanna risk it with those prices ill wait till i can find one in a junk yard and maybe give it a shot

09LAP

i use this term loosely. lls

drumrush

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i mean i picked mine up for 60 shipped on here, but they always go fast, and sometimes you wont see one for sale for like 2 months at a time, then the person will ask like 120

09LAP

i can wait bro i mean ive done intake, motor mount, exhaust, lightweight alt pully, header ect dosent leave much but the tb and i havnet tuned it yet im prob gonna get bout 35-40 whp after i tune it so i was just gonna port the IM and stuff while i was there...

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iTrader: (9)

yea.. i paid 120 for my IM and 60 for my TB.. still not a bad deal considering what new stuff goes for on CED

drumrush

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ive got a gmpp intake and exhaust, badmab header, 2.4 mani and a 2.4 tb im waiting to install until i get a tune lol and a zzp downpipe on the way as we speak. a trifecta tune will be coming in a week or 2 as well. so im real close to being fully bolted and tuned, and eventually ill throw on an m62

09LAP

word im waiting till im getting back from my deployment to get mine but for now bolted is the way to go

09xfebalt

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You are all correct about the AFR's however cars are controlled really well these days for rich/lean for emissions so IF any damage is being done the light would come on very fast. That being said if it does come on in the few days im not tuned whats it take a total of 3 minutes to change?

cleanxfe

^^^^ yup and its funny that the only people that dont get it are the ones with l61 (l61 goes into limp mode with tb change) and the only thing in common with the LAP and L61 is the bottom end, the LAP has LE5 top end, maybe the L61 guy should stick with there own section LOL!

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iTrader: (9)

so if the LAP has the LE5 top end why wouldnt they just shove the LE5 intake mani/tb on there too.. gm makes no sense i swear

cleanxfe

it does 09 lap and 09 le5 have the same top end the tb that 09xfebalt used was only on the le5 for 2008 if you look at the older ones 07 and older they have the same internal sensors as lsj thats why zzp has a kit to install the lsj tb with no tune required

gm is messed up! lol