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Old 01-22-2009, 03:17 PM
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haha...if you wish to continue and make yourself sound like an ass go ahead. im not going to waste my time on your or muck up this thread anymore...
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haha...if you wish to continue and make yourself sound like an ass go ahead. im not going to waste my time on your or muck up this thread anymore...
I have not made myself look like an ass at all.
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i noticed on the site it makes u pay 750 for installation and tune, care to sell me the kit without that 750.00 price tag??

as i want to install and tune it myself?
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Originally Posted by slowswap
Why are they running a blow through setup? That makes no sense at all. Doesn't make sense to make a kit without an intercooler. That just asking for problems.
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I have not made myself look like an ass at all.
nuff said. btw....wheres this explanation that we were supposed to get on why shocks/struts "blow" with lowering springs?.......
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Originally Posted by mike25
nuff said. btw....wheres this explanation that we were supposed to get on why shocks/struts "blow" with lowering springs?.......
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I hope ZZP can ignore the slowswap guy and not let him ruin it for the rest of us
Old 01-22-2009, 04:21 PM
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We could recirc but it would add to the price tag and make the kit more complex.

The intercooled kit will just replace the pipe that you see in the pic. Every kit has stages, we figured make a non-IC kit because its quicker and I am sure by next week it will be intercooled.

Dyno sheet is here!!!

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Old 01-22-2009, 04:22 PM
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nice..it seems like such a simple kit.. cant u guys just start shipping now? i could buy that instead of camming and supercharging!!
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specs of the turbo? Is it still the bullseye t56 (?) that was listed on the site. Tried to find specs but couldn't find any.


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Non-intercooled does sound bad, but at least it could be added if wanted. I don't it would add that much heat with just 5psi.
I understand it but just figure if i'm spending the money its gonna be intercooled and run more then 6psi.
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Originally Posted by Brandon97Z
specs of the turbo? Is it still the bullseye t56 (?) that was listed on the site. Tried to find specs but couldn't find any.




I understand it but just figure if i'm spending the money its gonna be intercooled and run more then 6psi.
its low priced for a reason. if u want more psi and an intercooler buy a higher priced level. its really simple
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Originally Posted by mike25
nuff said. btw....wheres this explanation that we were supposed to get on why shocks/struts "blow" with lowering springs?.......
Thanks for the reminder. I have made the post.
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It seems like that for the same price as the Stage 1 turbo kit, you could supercharge and get more power.. Correct? I mean, personally, I like turbo more than supercharged.. But money talks..
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Optimally the MAF should be setup in a Draw Thru setup. This makes tuning much easier.

Blow Through works, but is more likely to have turbulent air passing through the MAF causing idle and drivability problems.

Also, blow through setups will peg a MAF sooner than a draw through.
Draw through is generally the best route. And having the BOV so close to the MAF in a blow through setup can cause weird spikes when it vents. Also have an elbow near the blow through MAF does not help because it can cause some turbulence.

If they really want to stay blow through they should consider moving the MAF down stream more.
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Originally Posted by slowswap
Draw through is generally the best route. And having the BOV so close to the MAF in a blow through setup can cause weird spikes when it vents. Also have an elbow near the blow through MAF does not help because it can cause some turbulence.

If they really want to stay blow through they should consider moving the MAF down stream more.
The MAF works great right where it's at.

It seems like that for the same price as the Stage 1 turbo kit, you could supercharge and get more power.. Correct? I mean, personally, I like turbo more than supercharged.. But money talks..
What supercharger setup are you comparing it to? We went from 148whp to 240whp on 6 psi. A 92whp gain on an auto is approximately 110 engine HP gain. I'd be surprised to see a supercharger achieve these gains at 6psi.
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Originally Posted by Matt M
The MAF works great right where it's at.

What supercharger setup are you comparing it to? We went from 148whp to 240whp on 6 psi. A 92whp gain on an auto is approximately 110 engine HP gain. I'd be surprised to see a supercharger achieve these gains at 6psi.
I highly doubt the M62 has a higher flow rating then the turbo your are using. There for 6 psi on the supercharger maybe less of that on the turbo charger.

I'd also like to see the number gains on a manual....
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Originally Posted by Matt M
The MAF works great right where it's at.

What supercharger setup are you comparing it to? We went from 148whp to 240whp on 6 psi. A 92whp gain on an auto is approximately 110 engine HP gain. I'd be surprised to see a supercharger achieve these gains at 6psi.
Damn 6 psi on an auto!

I got a manual and i want to T/C mine.
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The standard M62 is supposed to get you up to 240-260, for around two grand.. I'm certainly not bashing your system what so ever.. You guys make great stuff.. I was just asking a general question..
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Originally Posted by averagewhiteboy
The standard M62 is supposed to get you up to 240-260, for around two grand.. I'm certainly not bashing your system what so ever.. You guys make great stuff.. I was just asking a general question..
Do you have a link to this setup? I'd like to compare them. Of course the M62 is also IC'd. Add an IC with the turbo and there will be no comparison.
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sweet job on the kit! lovin the numbers too just 1 question, how long would you expect the installation of one of these kits to take? and do you know how much space there is between the hood and the piping? i have an aftermarket hood and was just tryin to figure out if everything would fit ok.
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Do you have a link to this setup? I'd like to compare them. Of course the M62 is also IC'd. Add an IC with the turbo and there will be no comparison.
There's a how-to on there listing the set-up.. I've never done it.. Again, I like turbo better than supercharger anyway.. lol.
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Do you have a link to this setup? I'd like to compare them. Of course the M62 is also IC'd. Add an IC with the turbo and there will be no comparison.
its the stock LSJ setup. It has slight gains over an LSJ due to more displacement and a higher compression ratio
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Originally Posted by wollis1
sweet job on the kit! lovin the numbers too just 1 question, how long would you expect the installation of one of these kits to take? and do you know how much space there is between the hood and the piping? i have an aftermarket hood and was just tryin to figure out if everything would fit ok.
The charge piping has quite a bit of clearance from the hood, the blow off valve on the final production kits will be tilted down a little bit to add even more clearance. Since this is the first protoype kit that we have done it was all fabbed in a couple days amung the daily distractions of producing parts. This kit should be fairly simple for install and should take a few hours. ( assuming having a lift and all the correct tools if you are doing it yourself)
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i like wut i see so far..keep up the info!!
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ummnice numbers.. no offense to your tuning knowledge but ummm 12's are kinda lean... shouldn't those be closer to 11.5?
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Originally Posted by elecblue06
ummnice numbers.. no offense to your tuning knowledge but ummm 12's are kinda lean... shouldn't those be closer to 11.5?
low 12's are acceptable. More power the leaner it is, as long as your not so lean your knocking
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i would like to know how i can get that 4 my 2.4L 08 sport


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