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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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... that sounds right.
The sensor should peak out around the ~50.7 psia, or 36.3 psig mark.

we've got lots of room to move with that sensor....
That's what I thought. Man I can't wait to see the results of this swap. Brings back memories of back in August I tell you. Who's the closest to Charleston, SC?

I can see a showdown already:

Lysholm 1200AX vs. HTV1320
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:23 PM
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Wait, am I missing something?

The stock map sensor should only be able to support to 22-24psi boost. Check out the MAP scaling in HPTuners.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
That's what I thought. Man I can't wait to see the results of this swap. Brings back memories of back in August I tell you. Who's the closest to Charleston, SC?

I can see a showdown already:

Lysholm 1200AX vs. HTV1320
HTV1320 > 1200AX

No contest
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Blown 4-banger
HTV1320 > 1200AX

No contest
Maybe. It would be closer than most would think imo.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Wait, am I missing something?

The stock map sensor should only be able to support to 22-24psi boost. Check out the MAP scaling in HPTuners.
theres people in here that dont know what they're talking about. you are correct it only supports 23
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Maybe. It would be closer than most would think imo.
The 1200 just doesn't have the RPM to keep up with the 1320.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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Pictures of the new TMAP angle, the bolt and the fin both clear the MAP sensor in this position:




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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Wait, am I missing something?

The stock map sensor should only be able to support to 22-24psi boost. Check out the MAP scaling in HPTuners.

Umm... yeah bit of an oops on my part there.... I read from the wrong row.

Our T-MAP is Bosch pn; 0 261 230 042
It is rated for 20-250 kpa absolute (.2-2.5 bar absolute), where the 2.5bar reading is a 4.65V
That means it will read up to 21.76 psi gauge, with about a 2 psi overshoot, which peaks the voltage at 5V.


The direct replacement part numbers for the higher rated T-MAP's are;
3 bar abs -> 0 281 002 437
3.5 bar abs -> 0 281 002 456
4 bar abs -> B 261 260 508

You can find all needed info on pages 34-37 on this link.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
Umm... yeah bit of an oops on my part there.... I read from the wrong row.

Our T-MAP is Bosch pn; 0 261 230 042
It is rated for 20-250 kpa absolute (.2-2.5 bar absolute), where the 2.5bar reading is a 4.65V
That means it will read up to 21.76 psi gauge, with about a 2 psi overshoot, which peaks the voltage at 5V.


The direct replacement part numbers for the higher rated T-MAP's are;
3 bar abs -> 0 281 002 437
3.5 bar abs -> 0 281 002 456
4 bar abs -> B 261 260 508

You can find all needed info on pages 34-37 on this link.
Broken link but I think I have seen the pdf you are talking about.

I have to find a vendor that can supply me with a 3 or 3.5 bar replacement.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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just another blower!? big deal. still a heaton.

what kind of gains do you expect at the track from that in terms of times. cut the crap about efficiency, less HEAT (LOL) and stuff. really how much quicker will your car be?

I am not hatting here. we have seen so many mods from procharger to twin screw to turbo. the only thing that has shown promise is turbo and we are still waiting for times before their transmission falls out.

(FLAME SUIT IS ON)
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Broken link but I think I have seen the pdf you are talking about.

I have to find a vendor that can supply me with a 3 or 3.5 bar replacement.
what would you do with that, the pcm doesnt read that high and it would throw off the voltage scaling
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Maybe. It would be closer than most would think imo.
That's what I'm thinking. I haven't got to experience the HTV, but I know exactly what the twinscrew is capabale of. My 272whp Mustang dyno numbers really didn't show what the car was doing performance wise. Just food for thought.

I do however know my blower was capable of slinging oil from the snout like a champ!
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fast98
what would you do with that, the pcm doesnt read that high and it would throw off the voltage scaling
You can rescale it correctly now in HPTuners.

It'll keep my p0068 test happy.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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just another blower!? big deal. still a heaton.
If you'd seen the rotors on this thing, or even the boost map, you wouldn't be saying that.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Asphalt Assault
just another blower!? big deal. still a heaton.

what kind of gains do you expect at the track from that in terms of times. cut the crap about efficiency, less HEAT (LOL) and stuff. really how much quicker will your car be?

I am not hatting here. we have seen so many mods from procharger to twin screw to turbo. the only thing that has shown promise is turbo and we are still waiting for times before their transmission falls out.

(FLAME SUIT IS ON)
so efficiency is crap. shows what you know. also on a side note people dont judge cars on the quickness..........
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Asphalt Assault
just another blower!? big deal. still a heaton.

what kind of gains do you expect at the track from that in terms of times. cut the crap about efficiency, less HEAT (LOL) and stuff. really how much quicker will your car be?

I am not hatting here. we have seen so many mods from procharger to twin screw to turbo. the only thing that has shown promise is turbo and we are still waiting for times before their transmission falls out.

(FLAME SUIT IS ON)
Easy killer.

Wait till we see what the dyno comes out to look like or at least logs of the airflow sensors.

If you are worried about the transmission perhaps you purchased the wrong car.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
You can rescale it correctly now in HPTuners.

It'll keep my p0068 test happy.
true but all your doing is losing resolution if you cant increase the table size in the computer

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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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true but all your doing is loosing resolution if you cant increase the table size in the computer
Correct. However the only places I would lose it that matters is the IFR and injector offset table.

EFILive has support for tables that may or may not be ones that HPTuners supports. Modifying how P0068 tests run may be in that arsenal (or at least the calculations for building the intake manifold models for p0068). I'm still waiting for their guys to post up a stock calibration.

One good thing is, the SCIP sensor seems to still be happy on the TVS even with an increase in volume between the supercharger rotors and throttle body which will probably make wanting to change p0068 tests unecessary.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fast98
true but all your doing is loosing resolution if you cant increase the table size in the computer
Even so, the sensor is only so accurate... all the sensors have the same tolerance on them.

Edit:
Found it... all the T-MAP's are +/- 1.5%
Therefore the 250kpa sensor is +/- 3.75kpa, the 300kpa is +/- 4.5kpa, 350kpa is +/- 5.25kpa, etc, etc.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spike
hahn has a bigger gt35r..........fits fine....behind the motor............
if you have seen the lnf setup in person. you would understand

Originally Posted by Witt
Correct. However the only places I would lose it that matters is the IFR and injector offset table.

EFILive has support for tables that may or may not be ones that HPTuners supports. Modifying how P0068 tests run may be in that arsenal (or at least the calculations for building the intake manifold models for p0068). I'm still waiting for their guys to post up a stock calibration.

One good thing is, the SCIP sensor seems to still be happy on the TVS even with an increase in volume between the supercharger rotors and throttle body which will probably make wanting to change p0068 tests unecessary.
this is where 07 > 06-05



carry on

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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
this is where 07 > 06-05



carry on
Heh, or disable it all together and give me access to acceleration enrichment.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
If you'd seen the rotors on this thing, or even the boost map, you wouldn't be saying that.
Rotors mean squat, boost map means squat, and yeah I have looked at all of that. there is no doubt that there is improvement over the original. but what will it equate to for track times. even for a dyno I know the curve will look great. but can the car hold up? read last comment for the fear.

Originally Posted by fast98
so efficiency is crap. shows what you know. also on a side note people dont judge cars on the quickness..........
I judge a car for how quick it is only. that is what matters to me most. give me a 1000HP and 1 gear? not going to accomplish my goals. the tests are important for pointing the project in an intended direction. Last I checked there was no calculation to determine the efficiency = to 1/4 time that is all I am saying.

bottom line - relax. I will get excited if you hit 12's and maintain reliability. I hope but I dont give much.

Originally Posted by Witt
Easy killer.

Wait till we see what the dyno comes out to look like or at least logs of the airflow sensors.

If you are worried about the transmission perhaps you purchased the wrong car.
Easy....LOL I already said this is not a hate post. just a reality check. Dyno would be great to see. That is one step from the track. it proves you have power at a certain level. have to see how everything works with it to get that new HP to the ground.

Worried about it? LOL bought the wrong car? LOL. Your right. and GM has replaced my transmission and are not offering stage kits for the 08 TC cause tranny is maxed for torque. Just saying it looks like to me that it is that way.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Asphalt Assault
Rotors mean squat, boost map means squat, and yeah I have looked at all of that. there is no doubt that there is improvement over the original. but what will it equate to for track times. even for a dyno I know the curve will look great. but can the car hold up? read last comment for the fear.
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Heh, or disable it all together and give me access to acceleration enrichment.
07 has it disabled from the factory

go figure.


asphault. i know you blocked me, but someone will quote this.

you're in for a big suprise on the ss/tc cars.
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asphault. i know you blocked me, but someone will quote this.

you're in for a big suprise on the ss/tc cars.
There ya go...
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