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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 01:57 PM
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Well Area... We OFFICALLY have the same build. minus springs and return style... We should do business

Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
Changing the pistons and not the sleeves, not saying it's going to happen, but I HOPE his sleeves don't crack.

I have noticed that A LOT of people who change there pistons and not there sleeves at the same time have cracked there sleeves shortly after



Yeah no sleeves + aftermarket pistons have been equalling cracked sleeve but I believe Area is already on the smallest pulley? and with the ported head it should be easier on everything with less pressure but we'll see

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This is due to people not installing their **** correctly. You can put what ever piston you want in the cylinders, BUT when you go to install the rings and then pound them into the cylinders and they dont seat correctly or rings are not in order or you move something is usually when bad **** goes down...

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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 02:22 PM
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it's not less pressure. good god people.



You, my good sir, make some great observations that I have unfortunately overlooked. Props to you!
why does boost drop off with a ported head and what is boost measured in?
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 02:31 PM
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why does boost drop off with a ported head and what is boost measured in?
boost is measured before the head. boost is also a measure of restriction. less boost because of less restriction but it also flows more cfm so it increases cylinder pressure. hope this helps
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
boost is measured before the head. boost is also a measure of restriction. less boost because of less restriction but it also flows more cfm so it increases cylinder pressure. hope this helps

Okay so lets say you are runnin 15psi and then you port your head and you now you are at say 11 why is it that most people would then crank boost to 15psi again with the asumption that is a safe psi? Is that incorrect thinking?
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:50 PM
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Okay so lets say you are runnin 15psi and then you port your head and you now you are at say 11 why is it that most people would then crank boost to 15psi again with the asumption that is a safe psi? Is that incorrect thinking?
they turn the boost back up because they are now flowing MORE air at the SAME boost level. 15 psi before the head work might have flowed something like 400cfm(just a random number). After the port work the boost drops to 11psi and you pick up some cfm, say 450cfm now. So you crank the boost back up to 15 and now you are churning 700cfm. More power at the same boost level.

That's a very generic description, but you get the point.
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:51 PM
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 03:55 PM
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
they turn the boost back up because they are now flowing MORE air at the SAME boost level. 15 psi before the head work might have flowed something like 400cfm(just a random number). After the port work the boost drops to 11psi and you pick up some cfm, say 450cfm now. So you crank the boost back up to 15 and now you are churning 700cfm. More power at the same boost level.

That's a very generic description, but you get the point.

Yeah I get that but I was under the impression that after you port your head it is safer to crank the boost back up to say 15psi. According to what Blazins description that would be an inaccurate way of thinking? Because the cylinder pressure would still be greater after porting the head and then turning the boost to the same psi?
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 05:00 PM
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boost is a measure of restriction. Not air flow. Less pressure (boost) can be built up because it is being flowed thru the head.

CFM is the key term...
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 05:02 PM
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i was thinkin the psi was read AT the head... not before it.. but i was mistaken
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 06:38 PM
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nice Updates ASAP
Cant wait to see what else hes got up his sleeve for the future
07's FTW

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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 06:53 PM
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Good build area. Looking foward to see the results.
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Stiner
Yeah I get that but I was under the impression that after you port your head it is safer to crank the boost back up to say 15psi. According to what Blazins description that would be an inaccurate way of thinking? Because the cylinder pressure would still be greater after porting the head and then turning the boost to the same psi?
You need to buy some engine building books and do some reading man. You just aren't grasping it from what we are telling you. It's okay though, just do some reading and you'll understand.
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
You need to buy some engine building books and do some reading man. You just aren't grasping it from what we are telling you. It's okay though, just do some reading and you'll understand.

No I was simply confused and no one actually answered my question other than the original one I had. I was going off of the common misconception that if say you were told your engine could only handle 15psi then you port your head and its 11psi it is safe again to crank to 15psi where as really because the head flows better more total air is being pumped through creating more strain on your engine. More air more hp more strain
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 09:16 AM
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Engine failure, in the sense you are speaking of, is a function of power produced. I would think the closest related term you've seen used here for our typical engine failure is cylinder pressure. This is totally unrelated to boost pressure. If an engine's volumetric efficiency goes up, creating a situation with less boost at the same flow, turning up the boost will increase the engine's output and increase the chances of engine failure.

"More air, more HP, more strain" is correct if you turn the boost up. If you do not turn up the boost, the engine is actually more safe, as a byproduct of boost (flow restriction) is heat...
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Edubs
Engine failure, in the sense you are speaking of, is a function of power produced. I would think the closest related term you've seen used here for our typical engine failure is cylinder pressure. This is totally unrelated to boost pressure. If an engine's volumetric efficiency goes up, creating a situation with less boost at the same flow, turning up the boost will increase the engine's output and increase the chances of engine failure.

"More air, more HP, more strain" is correct if you turn the boost up. If you do not turn up the boost, the engine is actually more safe, as a byproduct of boost (flow restriction) is heat...
good post thanks I found some good info that explained some things I was struggling with so I understand better now.
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 12:10 PM
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 03:24 PM
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I love how people think this is my first engine build. How many here know what their rings are gapped at? Stock or forged.
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 03:32 PM
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I love how people think this is my first engine build. How many here know what their rings are gapped at? Stock or forged.
yea area freakin noob
lolz
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 03:36 PM
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I love how people think this is my first engine build. How many here know what their rings are gapped at? Stock or forged.
*raises hand*.. but not in the cobalt.. lol.. truck and race car only.. file fit rings ftw
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