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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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They quoted me the same, gonna go that route once I can afford it.
me too, but the motor build is taking my budget for stuff like this right now.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 08:35 PM
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keep up the good work.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 09:05 PM
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hey whered you pickup your ic? trying to find a decent priced one
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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keep up the good work.
thanks man

Originally Posted by mike25
hey whered you pickup your ic? trying to find a decent priced one
ebay, but be mindful of a few things.
1. size-don't go any larger than 28x8x3.5 thats the largest that will fit without notching the bumper.

2. pressure drop

3. max cfm flow.

4. inlet/outlet diameter.

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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:50 AM
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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow thats expensive for a manifold.
you want the best???

its never cheep.

the price might drop once a proper jig is made, if i can seal the deal on my new truck then i'll be able to drop the car off to them and have such a thing made.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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you want the best???

its never cheep.

the price might drop once a proper jig is made, if i can seal the deal on my new truck then i'll be able to drop the car off to them and have such a thing made.
yah i know you gotta pay to play, i'm gonna have to wait on this upgrade for a bit though, the log stays for now.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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ebay, but be mindful of a few things.
1. size-don't go any larger than 28x8x3.5 thats the largest that will fit without notching the bumper.

2. pressure drop

3. max cfm flow.

4. inlet/outlet diameter.
ok....the cfm shouldnt matter just as long is its up in the 500-600 range....at least for what i plan to do...and inlet and outlet diameter shouldnt really matter as long as it isnt too big or too small...im plannin on 3" so i gues somewhere close to that...and as for pressure drop...i never seen them list that on ebay
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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ok....the cfm shouldnt matter just as long is its up in the 500-600 range....at least for what i plan to do...and inlet and outlet diameter shouldnt really matter as long as it isnt too big or too small...im plannin on 3" so i gues somewhere close to that...and as for pressure drop...i never seen them list that on ebay
the biger the charge pipe the longer the turbo will lag.

takes more air to build a pressure over that larger area VS a 2.5in unit.

PD(pressure drop) is the 2nd most important piece of information, the first piece being fin density / weight.

more=better
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
the biger the charge pipe the longer the turbo will lag.

takes more air to build a pressure over that larger area VS a 2.5in unit.

PD(pressure drop) is the 2nd most important piece of information, the first piece being fin density / weight.

more=better
when you say 2.5 are you talking about the thickness of the core or the size of the piping...as far as piping goes i dont think i should have a problem with 3in...i plan to run to 300+hp so i think that the piping should do it...not sure i follow you on the pressure drop and fin density...could you explain a bit more?

edit: when you say pressure drop are you refering to the the psi lost when going through the intercooler itself?
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:06 PM
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when you say 2.5 are you talking about the thickness of the core or the size of the piping...as far as piping goes i dont think i should have a problem with 3in...i plan to run to 300+hp so i think that the piping should do it...not sure i follow you on the pressure drop and fin density...could you explain a bit more?

edit: when you say pressure drop are you refering to the the psi lost when going through the intercooler itself?
argggg....RESEARCH!

you want a HEAVY, thick, short core with a 2-2.5in inlet-and outlet (what ever size your turbo outlet is)

the biger the outlet you go the more lag your going to create. there are plenty of guys with allot more power then you want with a 2.5in IC inlet/outlet.

the short core helps with a minimal PD and if its heavy its got more thermal mass, both vary good qualities.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
argggg....RESEARCH!

you want a HEAVY, thick, short core with a 2-2.5in inlet-and outlet (what ever size your turbo outlet is)

the biger the outlet you go the more lag your going to create. there are plenty of guys with allot more power then you want with a 2.5in IC inlet/outlet.

the short core helps with a minimal PD and if its heavy its got more thermal mass, both vary good qualities.
lol guess i didnt research very well...havent really even looked into the intercooler yet...i get what your saying, i figured thats what you meant i was just checking...i found a couple on ebay that are pretty nice
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 08:12 PM
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lol guess i didnt research very well...havent really even looked into the intercooler yet...i get what your saying, i figured thats what you meant i was just checking...i found a couple on ebay that are pretty nice
here's some stuff to look into for more info, compliments of 06black

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech101.html


http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech102.html


http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech103.html
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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Those are real good articles if you need some insight.

Good find. I enjoyed reading it.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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theres nothing in there about intercooler...not that i saw...im assuming thats your way of saying i dont know what im doing...ive already read all of that...a while back...i know pretty much everything in there except for the expert part...at least i used to
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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That expert part I just simply quit. It was really confusing to the point I clicked the in the right hand corner of my screen.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Herndon_High_SS
That expert part I just simply quit. It was really confusing to the point I clicked the in the right hand corner of my screen.
lol i know....i mean i know whats going on and i know the basics....ive just really never heard anything about intercooler...i guess its a learning progress...i appreciate the help none the less
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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theres nothing in there about intercooler...not that i saw...im assuming thats your way of saying i dont know what im doing...ive already read all of that...a while back...i know pretty much everything in there except for the expert part...at least i used to
actually no i'm just giving you those as good reading, they were given to me and have been quite informative sofar. no it doesn't cover intercoolers, but has a lot of good info, i figured you'd get some useful info out of it like i did. if you have allready read it then someone can see it in this thread and read it. i will look into finding a good link o n intercoolers as well and post it in this thread for everyones use. i based my intercooler sizing on the 4 things i listed above. the reason i used 2.5inlet/outlet was because of air velocity. the smaller diameter the higher the velocity, the intercoller itself is going to slow it down a bit. when it comes out of theother side of the intercooler it will transition into 3' piping from there to make sure i don't max out the maf sensor as the freq max is 11,000 in hpt. i'm hoping for the best posiible flow with this setup.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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actually no i'm just giving you those as good reading, they were given to me and have been quite informative sofar. no it doesn't cover intercoolers, but has a lot of good info, i figured you'd get some useful info out of it like i did. if you have allready read it then someone can see it in this thread and read it. i will look into finding a good link o n intercoolers as well and post it in this thread for everyones use. i based my intercooler sizing on the 4 things i listed above. the reason i used 2.5inlet/outlet was because of air velocity. the smaller diameter the higher the velocity, the intercoller itself is going to slow it down a bit. when it comes out of theother side of the intercooler it will transition into 3' piping from there to make sure i don't max out the maf sensor as the freq max is 11,000 in hpt. i'm hoping for the best posiible flow with this setup.
ok,wasnt trying to get on you or anything...i just honestly didnt know anything about intercoolers and thought maybe you could help me, which you did, and i appreciate it. just wondering how much you spent on your intercooler? i found a damn nice one:http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...R6+Intercooler
it looks like a really nice one and its not too badly priced
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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ok,wasnt trying to get on you or anything...i just honestly didnt know anything about intercoolers and thought maybe you could help me, which you did, and i appreciate it. just wondering how much you spent on your intercooler? i found a damn nice one:http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...R6+Intercooler
it looks like a really nice one and its not too badly priced
it looks nice, is of bar and plate design, it will fit, can flow a max of 600cfm, pr drop is less than 1 psi, probably @12psi off the turbo. and the il/ol diameter is 2.5. would work for me.

found a good link on intercoolers, it's slightly biased to the manufacturer, your gonna have to scroll down the page away to get the good info.

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbos'ss
actually no i'm just giving you those as good reading, they were given to me and have been quite informative sofar. no it doesn't cover intercoolers, but has a lot of good info, i figured you'd get some useful info out of it like i did. if you have allready read it then someone can see it in this thread and read it. i will look into finding a good link o n intercoolers as well and post it in this thread for everyones use. i based my intercooler sizing on the 4 things i listed above. the reason i used 2.5inlet/outlet was because of air velocity. the smaller diameter the higher the velocity, the intercoller itself is going to slow it down a bit. when it comes out of theother side of the intercooler it will transition into 3' piping from there to make sure i don't max out the maf sensor as the freq max is 11,000 in hpt. i'm hoping for the best posiible flow with this setup.
convert to 3in as close to the "end" (TB) as possibile, you want the lowest possibile system volume.

and dont forget, BOV BEFORE the maf, venting metered air = THE LOOSE

the bov can be close to the maf, as long as its before it.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbos'ss
it looks nice, is of bar and plate design, it will fit, can flow a max of 600cfm, pr drop is less than 1 psi, probably @12psi off the turbo. and the il/ol diameter is 2.5. would work for me.

found a good link on intercoolers, it's slightly biased to the manufacturer, your gonna have to scroll down the page away to get the good info.

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm
ill check it out when i get more time...thanks for finding it it looks pretty helpful...have you picked up your ic yet? if so how much did you spend?

Originally Posted by 06black
convert to 3in as close to the "end" (TB) as possibile, you want the lowest possibile system volume.

and dont forget, BOV BEFORE the maf, venting metered air = THE LOOSE

the bov can be close to the maf, as long as its before it.
what would i benefit more from...keep in mind im a 2.4....2.5" or 3"? ive been told to go 3"...but if i would profit more from 2.5" then ill go with that

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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
convert to 3in as close to the "end" (TB) as possibile, you want the lowest possibile system volume.

and dont forget, BOV BEFORE the maf, venting metered air = THE LOOSE

the bov can be close to the maf, as long as its before it.
ok so should i relocate the maf to right befroe the tb, that way i can keep it at 2.5 alot further. that way i keep the maf in a 3" area while keeping most of the piping 2.5. i was planning to keep the maf in the factory location and running the 3" piping way before that to give space for the air velocity to slow down.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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ok so should i relocate the maf to right befroe the tb, that way i can keep it at 2.5 alot further. that way i keep the maf in a 3" area while keeping most of the piping 2.5. i was planning to keep the maf in the factory location and running the 3" piping way before that to give space for the air velocity to slow down.
air will drop its velocity almost instantly when the increase in volume occurs.

the more 3in pipe the more lag, end of story.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:26 AM
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air will drop its velocity almost instantly when the increase in volume occurs.

the more 3in pipe the more lag, end of story.
ok so as long as i run 3" pipe from the maf to the tb, i can run the whole rest of the setup 2.5. now i understand.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 02:11 AM
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since you guys are on the topic of intercoolers...

isn't the surface area more imortant than thickness? so a much taller and thinner intercooler is more efficient than a short and thick one...
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