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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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boost juice is one alot of people use
where do you get boost juice
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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after reading lots on this, i dont know if ill be putting any washer fluid or boost juice in my system.

ive read quite a few accounts where people have pulled their system apart to discover gummed up deposits of dye.

So i think it will be 100% pure methanol and distilled water for me.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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yeah i got a friend with a cavy z24 with a supercharger and he runs pure 100 perfcent meth with distilled water

50/50% mixture i do believe

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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So what happens if you forget to refill your tank, does it just spray air? any damage possible from driving when you run outta meth/water mix?
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by forced_induction
So what happens if you forget to refill your tank, does it just spray air? any damage possible from driving when you run outta meth/water mix?
if your just spraying and havent done any tuning, nothing.

if you have tuned for it, your gonna have a bad day....
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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if your just spraying and havent done any tuning, nothing.

if you have tuned for it, your gonna have a bad day....
so its better not to tune your car for it.....just hook it up and spray away
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:37 PM
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no.
its better to tune for it and make sure your tank doesnt run out.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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what if you dont tune for it and run it anyways
Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cooljake73
so mount the nozzle on the intake ur saying

is it only recommened for racing or ok for dailly driving to
Mount the nozzle just before the throttle body. As for water methanol injection use it's become extremely beneficial on the street as many of our customers only have 91 octane fuel and quickly need the added octane to prevent detonation from occurring as they have increased boost over the factory settings. There are several key benefits you will receive from a water methanol injection system First is a substantial reduction in heat from the air charge. Next, is it's ability to act as an added octane booster making normal premium 91-93 octane pump gas perform like 110+ racing fuel. Furthermore, it helps to stabilize the combustion process. Next, is the cooling effect it has within the combustion chamber. This helps to cool and protect the tops of your pistons saving you from potentially damaging a piston.

let me know if you have any other questions.

Originally Posted by Raven SS
its the best place to mount it reguardless of driving...if ur racing u might spray after the blower also but not recommended for dd...

i have a question...whos the best water/meth company?!? lol u are!!! haha cheesey plug for u rodney
Hey Angelo!. Thanks for the plug. You need to show everyone what you have once your done. This is going to be a pretty amazing Cobalt when it's finished.

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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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I have a question. Why should I run Meth instead of n20?
Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowBalt_06
do you guys offer a set up like my buddys where the meth does not kick on till a certian psi...cause my daily driving is alot of stop and go...
Yes, we have simple Stage 1 systems which are boost activated. The activation point is adjustable from 1-25 psi. Depending on your application this may be all you need. However, we do offer fully adjustable progressive units which will vary the flow based on the load of the engine. If you would like a complete detailed explanation of this feel free to give us a call directly. I can be reached at 1.801.447.2559 Ext 204

Originally Posted by splitimage
its tuned through the maf-t, snow performance uses the same technology.

i should add that through testing, the lsj reacts the best to a wide open spray, instead of a raped rate. When i was running mine before i sold the redline, with a 2.6 full exhaust intake 60's tuned and running 80/20 meth water on a 225 ml jet i hit 294 whp on the heaton!

I had it tuned to begin spraying roughly around 11 psi.
Compare our controller to others in the market.

What defines and separates a water methanol injection system from another is its controller and the quality of components used through out the system. These are by far the most advanced and versatile controllers on the market with more features built into them then any other competitors controller on the market.

With one controller you can run it on anything from a naturally aspirated vehicle to a turbocharged/supercharged gasoline or diesel application regardless if it's carbureted or EFI. One controller does it all!

Compare for yourself and see the difference.

* 100% digital processor for lighting fast response

* Quick, easy to use adjustment knobs

* The only controller which allows you the ability to manually adjust and change the start pressure, max pressure and curve of the system.

* Heavy-duty metal housing protecting the controllers CPU. Not plastic like other competitors controller.

* Greater range of adjustment then any other controller on the market with the ability to run true 2d Map using MAP, MAF, TPS, EGT or AIT in addition to Boost.

* Built in boost port for carbureted or EFI users who want to run a mechanical boost signal

* Built in serial port for connecting laptop for enhanced tuning features such as running multiple inputs (2d mapping) at once, data logging, saving and locking your settings.

* The only controller which allows you to use any of the following signals; Mechanical boost signal, EGT, TPS, MAP, Mass Air Meter, AIT, ACT or any other 0-5 volt sensor on your engine to base mapping of off.

* The only controller with a built in data logger allowing you to record and review the input signals being ran into the controller. Perfect for those who want to review the systems performance during a racing event, towing, normal daily driving, Etc.

* Built in status monitor which not only indicates when the system is activated but also performs a system function check everytime you turn your car on indicating the systems CPU is operating properly.

* The only controller which comes with free Windows based software

* Unlike the competitors "kits" our "systems" come pre-wired, tested & ready to go ensuring you will not only receive a fully functional system but also saving you the troubles of wiring the system yourself and potentially making a mistake and damaging the controller.

Originally Posted by splitimage
its tuned through the maf-t, snow performance uses the same technology.

i should add that through testing, the lsj reacts the best to a wide open spray, instead of a raped rate. When i was running mine before i sold the redline, with a 2.6 full exhaust intake 60's tuned and running 80/20 meth water on a 225 ml jet i hit 294 whp on the heaton!

I had it tuned to begin spraying roughly around 11 psi.
What defines and separates a water methanol injection system from another is its controller and the quality of components used through out the system. These are by far the most advanced and versatile controllers on the market with more features built into them then any other competitors controller on the market.

With one controller you can run it on anything from a naturally aspirated vehicle to a turbocharged/supercharged gasoline or diesel application regardless if it's carbureted or EFI. One controller does it all!

Compare for yourself and see the difference.

* 100% digital processor for lighting fast response

* Quick, easy to use adjustment knobs

* The only controller which allows you the ability to manually adjust and change the start pressure, max pressure and curve of the system.

* Heavy-duty metal housing protecting the controllers CPU. Not plastic like other competitors controller.

* Greater range of adjustment then any other controller on the market with the ability to run true 2d Map using MAP, MAF, TPS, EGT or AIT in addition to Boost.

* Built in boost port for carbureted or EFI users who want to run a mechanical boost signal

* Built in serial port for connecting laptop for enhanced tuning features such as running multiple inputs (2d mapping) at once, data logging, saving and locking your settings.

* The only controller which allows you to use any of the following signals; Mechanical boost signal, EGT, TPS, MAP, Mass Air Meter, AIT, ACT or any other 0-5 volt sensor on your engine to base mapping of off.

* The only controller with a built in data logger allowing you to record and review the input signals being ran into the controller. Perfect for those who want to review the systems performance during a racing event, towing, normal daily driving, Etc.

* Built in status monitor which not only indicates when the system is activated but also performs a system function check everytime you turn your car on indicating the systems CPU is operating properly.

* The only controller which comes with free Windows based software

* Unlike the competitors "kits" our "systems" come pre-wired, tested & ready to go ensuring you will not only receive a fully functional system but also saving you the troubles of wiring the system yourself and potentially making a mistake and damaging the controller.

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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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now im already running a N2O setup. small shot 35-50 depending on the day. what precautions if any do i need to take when running your setup on a DD car. mind you i only spray bout once every month or two
Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by UmeNNis
I have a question. Why should I run Meth instead of n20?
Nitrous is a great power adder. However, it does not serve well as a detonation deterrent. Nitrous makes the combustion process more unstable while also speeding it up. Which is why the use of ignition retard is generally needed. While water methanol is not a substantial power adder on it's own as nitrous, it does serve very well as a tool for users to dramatically increase their boost levels in which they could normally not have done so without. In addition , it dramatically reduces the chance of detonation and pushes the point of which it would normally occur. Thereby greatly reducing unnecessary engine failures.
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 02:32 AM
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heres a dumb question but i would love to no.. would this have problems pasting emissions/inspections?? sorry to ask a dumb question but i would like to no..

I like it a lot to, will be looking into it when i get my turbo..
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 02:34 AM
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Nitrous is a great power adder. However, it does not serve well as a detonation deterrent. Nitrous makes the combustion process more unstable while also speeding it up. Which is why the use of ignition retard is generally needed. While water methanol is not a substantial power adder on it's own as nitrous, it does serve very well as a tool for users to dramatically increase their boost levels in which they could normally not have done so without. In addition , it dramatically reduces the chance of detonation and pushes the point of which it would normally occur. Thereby greatly reducing unnecessary engine failures.
Interesting. I thought n20 also cooled temps too though? Just not as good as meth I guess. Keep up the good work guys.
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 05:03 AM
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I know this is gonna depend on average daily driving and how you drive your car, but with a 1.5 gallon tank and normal driving (occasionally getting on it) how often to you think i would need to refill the mix?
Old Jan 29, 2008 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by forced_induction
I know this is gonna depend on average daily driving and how you drive your car, but with a 1.5 gallon tank and normal driving (occasionally getting on it) how often to you think i would need to refill the mix?
One full tank would last you between 3-5 weeks.

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Interesting. I thought n20 also cooled temps too though? Just not as good as meth I guess. Keep up the good work guys.
It does cool air charge temps more then water methanol injection. However, it leans the motor out more. Nitrous Oxide is 2 molecules of nitrogen with one molecule of oxygen. (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process, at about 570 degrees F, nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen which in turns leans out the air fuel mixture.

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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:35 AM
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emissions/inspection problems in any states? i live in PA.. sorry just wondering, emissions around here can be a tad of a annoyance.
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt4Life
emissions/inspection problems in any states? i live in PA.. sorry just wondering, emissions around here can be a tad of a annoyance.
It depends on what you put in the container. Running pure water or 50/50 water methano has not shown to negatively effect emissions. How ever if your running 100% mathanol and untuned your engine will run very rich. Keep in mind it's very easy to disable the system during emissions testing.
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 10:10 AM
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what kind of pump do you guys use?
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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can you answer my question about running both my nitrous setup and alcohol injection
Old Jan 30, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Thanks for the answer!! yea i would run a 50/50 mix.. i will have to look at getting this after my turbo build.
Old Jan 31, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by distillion
what kind of pump do you guys use?
We use the Shurflo 150 psi pump that has been modified for use with 100% methanol

Originally Posted by skymynx
now im already running a N2O setup. small shot 35-50 depending on the day. what precautions if any do i need to take when running your setup on a DD car. mind you i only spray bout once every month or two
Aside from keeping the container filled and not letting it run out of fluid and suck air. The only other precautions would be if you decide to run 100% we suggest upgrading to our stainless steel hose kit.

Are you running any ignition retard when your nitrous system is fired off? You may not be with such a small shot. Running a water methanol injection system would provide you with a substantial octane enhancement thereby allowing you to run your nitrous system with no ignition retard. That is if you are running any to begin with.

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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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at the moment no im not retarding the ignition at all. the nitrous is a small shot b/c its mostly for show (dual led purge kit). but i like the idea of using meth to have what seems to be the going hp number around 280 without the bottle

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