Why do you care, if I care or not???

I race to try and win things, usually money. Again with these baseline numbers... as useless as baseline dynos.

 

280 we agree on something?

 

shhhh... don't tell anybody.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/war-stories-54/2006-1-8l-civic-20562/ , enjoy

 

You guys are just haters.

Eventually there will be pleanty of 2.2s that will be faster than the 2.0L

 

I agree completely, but RIGHT NOW, what is the point?

 

the point is that we all enjoy racing, even if it's slower than what most ppl would consider fast.

It's a passion no matter what car is racing at what speed.

Plain and simple.

 

yeah, but at how much bigger a price tag

 

the point is that people enjoy racing... why do you find it odd that people like to race?? there's always the other side... yes, a 16 second car is not considered fast... does that mean that the person at the track isn't having a good time?? there are plenty of people that would consider your car slow... there's plenty of people that would consider LOTS of cars slow... does that mean the no one should go to the track?

i have to say, you do post some great stuff at times, but you can also be a real ass... you too hatricksu... time to grow up

 

what does it matter what the price tag is?? some people don't have the money initially to buy a faster car... so they shouldn't work on the car they have?? are you modding your car?? you are, well based on your post that's stupid... why didn't you just buy a faster car?

 

280 seems to get his rocks off by egging people on. This will just turn into another pointless back and forth banter. Nothing you can ever say will make them get it. Seriously, just let it go and have fun with your car man

 

Just to **** both of you off...is it working yet ?

16.2 in a stock 2.2 is pretty much expected...I'd be happy with those times especially on your first runs .

 

Are These Stick Or Auto, If Its An Auto Thats A Great Time, I Got To Take My Ss/sc And 2.2 To The Track And The Best I Could Get In The Ss/sc Was 14.45 And In The 2.2 I Got A 15.75. Both Were Completely Stock. They Are Both Fun To Drive No Matter What The Case, You Guys Need To Stop Being Dicks Cause Your Doing That On Purpose.

 

Why the hell does it matter if people run 2.2's??? It's their car, and if they want to race, let them race! I Can't stan't those people with the attitude that "Well, if you car can't run 13's, than you shouldn't even bother going..." Who cares what others run, your only racing the clock anyways. (Unless your on pinks ) I could care less if a 2.2 pulled up next to a 9 second 1967 GTO.

It doesn't matter what you run, as long as your having fun.

BTW: I own a 2.0, not all of us are asses

 

That is about what you should get stock. I looked at autos.msn.com and they state that its something like 16.18 or something for the 1/4 mile so that isnt bad at all. Best I got was 16.6 in my auto but I have only ran it down the track 2 times so im sure i have room for improvement

 

You could make a 2.2 faster than an ss without spending as much as you did for your stock ss

 

Actually unless I have missed something, even us SS/SC guys haven't come close to what the J-body folks have done with the 2.2 eco motor.

There are a select few running high 11's and several in the 12's on daily driven turbocharged 2.2's

So just because those turbo kits haven't made it to the cobalts yet, doesn't mean that the 2.2 isn't a great motor.

In stock trim the 2.2 will gladly take 10 lbs of intercooled boost (from a well designed kit)

Last I knew, nobody has made a daily driven 2.0 that fast.

The way I see all of us have a good block to start off with, Eco all the way baby

 

WORD. Aside from the computer issues on the 2.2 cobalts (which will be resolved)
you could piece together your own turbo kit for a little more than a grand.

Even if you splurged and bought a kit for $3-4000 (Hahn for example) you could be stomping on us SC guys for considerably less invested

 

really? i would love to see you do that, that would be a hell of a sleeper

 

i think you guys are getting the wrong idea about what 280 and myself are saying, we arent bashing you, at least im not, i just get tired of going to the track and having to wait all day just to make a pass because there are a million cars out there running 13 and 14 second 1000 foot times, i had a blazer that i could have taken to the track and run prolly a 16 second thousand foot, you know why i didnt do that? because its not a ******* race car, its an suv. IMO same as taking a bone stock 2.2 to the track to "have fun" its a family economy car, use it was it is for. that is just my opinion on the thing, am i not entitled to that?

 

Just go to www.j-body.org look in the forums under the BOOST category.

I know there are still some issues with the 2.2 balts computer and boost, but regardless it will give you a good idea of what the motor is capable of.

 

im not implying that the motor is the worst thing to ever happen, im sure there are hundreds of 2.2 eco's that would hand me my ass, and for a daily driver it has some pep, i know i drove a rental for 3 weeks, i just dont understand taking a bone stock one to the track, seems like a waste of time and money

 

lets do some math. We'll say an 06 SS/SC is about 20k...give or take.

06 LS was 11,600 ish which includes taxes and such. Now suppose i purchase hahn's turbo kit for let's estimate, 4000 and get hptuners when they get it for the 2.2 for, again estimating, 700 and say another 1000 for other na-t conversion necessities... total cost? 11,600 + 4000 + 1000 + 700 = 17,300 and according to hahn, right in the 230 whp range.


Soooooo.... Your SS/SC 20,000 @ ~190 whp (Very Generous Estimate)
My Boosted LS 17,300 @ ~230 whp

The difference? $2700 and 40 whp


so, considering we don't have a monstrosity on our trunks and we don't have the valences, and large, somewhat unnecessary 18" wheels, i would be make more hp and weigh less than you, therefore, in theory, would be faster than an SS/SC and still cost less than a stock SS/SC



Granted, i'm not trying to be an ass, as i said, this is all in theory, i'm just sick of the select 2.0 owners (not all) talking down on people because we don't have a supercharger on our cars. It gets frustrating, just like how when the SRT-4 guys and the evo guys talk down on the Cobalts in General. WE al all driving GM cars, we are all driving the same body styl cars, Why the **** does everyone have to hate on everyone?

 

so that extra couple of seconds makes that big of a deal to you? the guy that's at the tracks running 11's thinks it's a waste of time to race you... does that mean that you shouldn't go to the tracK??

 

Also....280 speaks of racing his car for money and such, I had a 17 second car which I cleaned house with. Why....because it was an automatic, it was consistent, and it doesn't matter how fast you are during bracket racing. I ate 9 second monsters daily, not because my car was faster but because I was more consistent with my dial in time and my reaction times then that "9 second monster"

Think of all aspects before disrespecting people. There are alot of different variables that come into play.

 

i went to the track once, with my stock 2.2, jsut to get base numbers, so i have physical proof of what difference my mods are doing. am i wrong for wanting to see what the parts i spend money on are doing for me? And when i went i was there with stock ss/sc that were running less than a second faster than me, noone rips on them for taking their stock cars to the track? what exactly is the cutoff time that we're allowed to go to the track?