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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MacG321
how bout you and the car lose weight . Being 33XX pounds doesnt help a bit, if you could lose 300 pounds and lower your 60' , youll be mid 13's. Of course i am going by the assumption that 100 lbs= .1 sec off ur et and for every .1 sec you take off your 60'=.2 secs off your et. Plus, if your worried about your track times so much, why would you have 200 pounds of stereo equipment in the first place?
My thoughts also.

Not going to bad mouth you (too much that is)
But for being so cocky, i was really hoping for some mid to low 12s from ya. Were ya expeirencing major wheel hop and wheel spin? or just wheel spin?

We have all learned that these cars a pain in the ass to drive... (down the track that is)

Possibly driver's error?

And about your clutch slipping. I dont think its the clutch itself, but i think the problem is in our pressure plates...

Who knows. It was your first attempt. So dont let it get ya done. Try again, and again, and some more... You'll get it man.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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The SPEC 3 is slipping in 3rd and 4th gear on the spray? Our stock clutch holds up even in 3rd, the slipping is mainly 1st gear, and 2nd gear when the air is good. I don't get it. Those are the top gears how is it slipping up top. We've never had that problem even on a daily driven stock clutch. The Intense does help the top end if everything is tuned correctly and the PCM isn't pulling excessive timing. The 2.8 pulley spins the Eaton right at it's limit in terms of airflow, so it's efficiency is down and adding more heat to the charge air which can rob power if the heat isn't removed. I don't believe the factory PCM can't tune out the hard wired signal produced by the MAFT. I'm still looking into it, and haven't come up with any real solid info on the long term using the MAFT and maintaining optimum fuel enrichment.
Clutches slip in higher gears easier than lower ones. More force on the parts. Why don't you just stop telling me what's going on with the car and LISTEN to what I'm saying is going on with the car. You'd quit asking so many questions then.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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well just my observation, if the clutch slipped that bad at the track, then on the way home, its probably toasted. Who installed it? You might want to contact spec and see if they will warrenty it, there is no reason why a stage 3 clutch should be slipping with a 2.4 60' and a sub 13 second et.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 05_Blue_B10WN_SS
And about your clutch slipping. I dont think its the clutch itself, but i think the problem is in our pressure plates...
its the clutch master cly I've spoke on it before.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:20 PM
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damn, one hurdle after another.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:22 PM
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Did you purchase any parts to combat wheel spin/hop??
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by StreetDreamz
So my lowest time was a 14.2 at 99mph!

Want to know something even worse? A 14.8 at 101mph!

Wheelspin KILLED me. I didn't have a 60' lower then 2.4 and that was WITH slicks. I really am quite furious with this car. I unfortuntely didn't get to use the nitrous because apparently my clutch is not fully broken in yet. Every time I tried to spray even the first stage the engine would just rev up quickly and make a mad dash towards the rev limiter. I am quite upset with this car. So I have a few options in mind. Sell the car, trade the car,

OR

Go all out. By all out I mean new pistons, MS-II full standalone, Quaife and wider slicks/stiffer rear springs to keep more weight towards the front (hence more traction). This would be timely and costly. So I'm not quite sure yet. I'm going to go dealership hunting today and if no one will give me decent money for my car for what I want there then I guess I'm stuck with it.

By the way, my car with me in it weighs 3,310 pounds. That probably doesn't help either. I have other slips but those were the only interesting ones to me. I wish I could have sprayed, but it was not having that at all.

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That's a pretty hefty weight! I suppose w/ all the nitrous equipment? Mine weighed in 3010lbs on an empty tank w/ me (245lbs) and no weight removal. I'm pretty perplexed @ the 60ft on slicks. I would have guessed wheelspin w/ slicks spraying off the line...but wow. What RPM were you launching at? Were you feathering the clutch or just dumping it? The MPH is there, I think with a little more practice you'll be nicely satisfied
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:34 PM
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I think he's confusing slicks with drag radials, he says the tires were 225 40 r17. I've never seen a slick size depicted like that.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FSRbikr98
I think he's confusing slicks with drag radials, he says the tires were 225 40 r17. I've never seen a slick size depicted like that.
that thought crossed my mind, but anyone thats been to the track before knows the difference. He seems to know his ****.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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Hmmm true...I haven't been able to find any slicks in that size yet.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:54 AM
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Damn, people need to learn the huge differance between drag radials and slicks!
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetDreamz
Clutches slip in higher gears easier than lower ones. More force on the parts. Why don't you just stop telling me what's going on with the car and LISTEN to what I'm saying is going on with the car. You'd quit asking so many questions then.
Clutches slip easier in high than lower gears? Are you sure?! What's 1st gear ratio? What's the purpose of 1st gear? What gear mulitplies torque by the highest ratio? What places more of a load on the clutch/torque converter in a vehicle? What kills a clutch? What puts more strain on the drivetrain? The 8.5-12:1 torque mulitplication of the combined gear ratio in 1st gear or the 2.50-5:1 combined gear ratio of high gear?

I'm listening to what you're saying but I strongly believe you have no idea what's going on with the car and you are only guessing. You have no clue what you're doing or what's going on, hence the lackluster times/performance. Your descriptions are inaccurate and therefore irrevelant to me when trying to decipher exactly what is going on with the car/combination. That's why I ask alot of questions, and since you can't answer them then that tells me you haven't a clue. Not to mention by your other comments I have already determined you're spinning tires in the mud son. Haven't a clue. Sell the car? The car isn't the problem. We've already run 12s on the stock clutch and less than half of the nitrous on your car.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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I even doubt they were drag radials. I've come to the conclusion he hasn't a clue about anything other than talking out of his ass.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by StreetDreamz
So my lowest time was a 14.2 at 99mph!

Want to know something even worse? A 14.8 at 101mph!

Wheelspin KILLED me. I didn't have a 60' lower then 2.4 and that was WITH slicks. I really am quite furious with this car. I unfortuntely didn't get to use the nitrous because apparently my clutch is not fully broken in yet. Every time I tried to spray even the first stage the engine would just rev up quickly and make a mad dash towards the rev limiter. I am quite upset with this car. So I have a few options in mind. Sell the car, trade the car,

OR

Go all out. By all out I mean new pistons, MS-II full standalone, Quaife and wider slicks/stiffer rear springs to keep more weight towards the front (hence more traction). This would be timely and costly. So I'm not quite sure yet. I'm going to go dealership hunting today and if no one will give me decent money for my car for what I want there then I guess I'm stuck with it.

By the way, my car with me in it weighs 3,310 pounds. That probably doesn't help either. I have other slips but those were the only interesting ones to me. I wish I could have sprayed, but it was not having that at all.

Thoughts/comments/suggestions?
No offense but i just think you need to learn to drive better..... just need to practice your launching
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DarricksZ28
Clutches slip easier in high than lower gears? Are you sure?! What's 1st gear ratio? What's the purpose of 1st gear? What gear mulitplies torque by the highest ratio? What places more of a load on the clutch/torque converter in a vehicle? What kills a clutch? What puts more strain on the drivetrain? The 8.5-12:1 torque mulitplication of the combined gear ratio in 1st gear or the 2.50-5:1 combined gear ratio of high gear?

I'm listening to what you're saying but I strongly believe you have no idea what's going on with the car and you are only guessing. You have no clue what you're doing or what's going on, hence the lackluster times/performance. Your descriptions are inaccurate and therefore irrevelant to me when trying to decipher exactly what is going on with the car/combination. That's why I ask alot of questions, and since you can't answer them then that tells me you haven't a clue. Not to mention by your other comments I have already determined you're spinning tires in the mud son. Haven't a clue. Sell the car? The car isn't the problem. We've already run 12s on the stock clutch and less than half of the nitrous on your car.
Prove it. You still have yet to do that. The point here isn't that I can't drive, the point is that you are telling me something ISN'T goin on with my car when me, the driver, behind the wheel, on the pedal, KNOWS what is going on. Tell me my clutch doesn't slip? Come to Mo-town and drive the ******* thing. Otherwise leave this alone.

And I never said I had drag radials. I said I had slicks. And yes they were road racing slicks. Still will stick better than the Dunlops, it's all I had to work with on such short notice. And someone read wrong because I said 225/45R17 not 40.

As far as combating wheelhop I have the GG dual torque brace. Seems to be pretty effective. We did some weight reduction yesterday though. Should help a bit. About 200 pounds a bit.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:29 PM
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Will you be coming back up again this sun, i will be there with the yellow cobalt again hoping to break the 13s, Does you friend still want to sell his intense stage 3?
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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I think your car can easily get mid 13's. I just think its gonna take you a few trips to the track to perfect your driving skills.

I dunno your history so I wont pretend too. But I will tell you how I was when I went to the track. First car I took was a Tacoma 3.4l supercharged, injectors, fuel pump, plugs etc etc. First 5 times at the track I couldnt even get 15.5. I blamed the truck for a while but then I realized it was the driver. Its like your put on a stage and everyone is watching you, because everyone IS watching you. I was nervous and trying to consentrate on too many things at once. FINALLY I went up on a Wednesday night and there was only like 10 cars there, and everyone was super super nice. I was able to actually focus on what I was doing and not worry about other cars being faster or what people are thinking. First run I ran a 14.5. So I knocked an entire second off my time, all driver related issue.

Like I said I dont know your history, you could be a professional driver and been hitting up the strip for 20 years. Just thought you should know that practice makes perfect, and NO ONE does there best the first time.

When I ran 13.8 in my car with a full tank of gas (well 50 miles on it), which is one of the best times I've seen in an 06 wrx so far, there is one better I know of. I had the radio on a little just to distract me from the other lane and to pump me up heheh. I also only focus on the lane I was in, I didnt even look at the bleachers, and I adjust my rear view so I couldnt see the cars behind me waiting to run. Helped me alot I guess.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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Will you be coming back up again this sun, i will be there with the yellow cobalt again hoping to break the 13s, Does you friend still want to sell his intense stage 3?
Yes he does and most likely I will if the weather is good.

I took a stock 1996 Saturn SC2 5-speed dynoed at 112whp with BF Goodrich all seasons to a 15.650@88mph. It's not driver error, trust me.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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Yes he does and most likely I will if the weather is good.

I took a stock 1996 Saturn SC2 5-speed dynoed at 112whp with BF Goodrich all seasons to a 15.650@88mph. It's not driver error, trust me.

Do you have any scan logs?
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Do you have any scan logs?
Scan logs? If by that you mean a slip then yes. Right here:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/237950

SC1 with a Twin Cam motor swap. The fastest ever run was with no intake or exhaust system.

BONE stock.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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Scan logs? If by that you mean a slip then yes. Right here:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/237950

SC1 with a Twin Cam motor swap. The fastest ever run was with no intake or exhaust system.

BONE stock.

No, I mean data scan logs of your ION runs at the track. Meaning, what did you use to scan for KR, Boost, Timing, Injector Pulse Width, Injector Duty Cycle, what were your O2's at, what was your air/fuel ratio, etc. You never truly know what your car is doing unless your scanning. Do you have an aeroforce gauge? Did you do scan for any of these parameters on your ION when you were just at the track?
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Yeah I have the Aeroforce. And no I neglected to log anything. My bad.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by StreetDreamz
Yes he does and most likely I will if the weather is good.

I took a stock 1996 Saturn SC2 5-speed dynoed at 112whp with BF Goodrich all seasons to a 15.650@88mph. It's not driver error, trust me.
Not trying to be a jackass here, but handling a 100hp car and handling a 300hp car are slightly different.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Yeah I have the Aeroforce. And no I neglected to log anything. My bad.

That gauge is your guide to modding the car. You've got to know what it's doing all the time, and what changes make it act different. There could have been alot of reasons why you ran what you ran, besides the traction issues. You've got to get your current setup "dialed in". Just keep practicing, you'll get there.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:50 PM
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Not trying to be a jackass here, but handling a 100hp car and handling a 300hp car are slightly different.
Shh...nobody knows that.
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