those new v6's are not nything to shake a stick at especially when you throw boost into the eqaution

 

Yeah, it proves you're faster for those particular races and that you might have the faster car. It doesn't really provide any statistically significant evidence that you are faster than any other car, however. I will say, though, like I said before, that you are probably faster than any 94-98 V6, stock vs. stock, so those races make perfect sense.

Also, I don't think you're making up any of the other races, either... my point was just that there are plenty of V6 Mustangs that ARE faster, all else being equal, than a 2.2, and a great driver in an '05+ 5-speed might surprise an average-ish driver in an SS/SC.


Yeah, compared to a S2 SS/SC, especially, those aren't too quick.


Yeah, S2... not going to be close with stock-ish V6 Mustangs and pre-99 V8's. Even the 99+ GT's you should be ahead of, as you said you were, with S2.


Yeah, they are taking VERY well to boost.

 

wow i'm going to +rep you just for being a cool mustang guy, one of the few on here that doesn't just bash like hell and say i didn't beat one haha

 

Not to get off topic (too much ) but isn't something kind of funny about those numbers. I guess it takes you SS/SC guys .7 seconds to go from 99 to 100 mph.

 

haha..i've noticed that too..but the reason on one of the car and driver shows i watched was that they don't launch it as hard or floor it like they do in the 1/4 mile times. or they don't powershift, some **** like that, haha

 

Thanks... I try to be as unbiased as possible

And I don't call bs on much... pretty much anything can happen when you've got the human factor in the equation. My stock V6 Mustang beat an AMG E55 through the 1/8th mile simply because they guy had no clue how to drive. Obviously, he had the faster car, though.


Actually, I'm pretty sure someone wrote into one of the magazines and asked this question. IIRC, they replied that it was because they correct the 1/4-mile times for weather/elevation, but they don't correct the other numbers... therefore the curious closeness of the numbers.

Could be wrong, though

 

keep in mind that is a base automatic. The tires on the stock car are probably some of the worst tires put on a production car in a few years performance wise. With the pony package and a 5-speed they can run 14's.

stock vs your modded car, i would be confident in racing your car with my 4.0 v6 in any roll or dig race. Let me keep my mods on and you would need boost or juice to keep within 3-4 cars of me. They are slower than an ss/sc stock for stock, but don't kid yourself here, they're faster than 2.4's, and considerably faster than 2.2's.

to beat 2.4 ss's for the same money. LOL im just playing with you, but it's true. I agree it should be an easy win stock vs stock for an ss/sc. Now if the v6 is modded and the ss/sc is stock it will be VERY close. Intake/canned tune packages are yielding 25rwhp on these cars but mod the ss and it's over.

 

The Mustang has to be much,much easier to launch than a SS/SC,and has a good bit more torque[240lbft I believe],so if the Cobalt driver isn't on top of his game it would be a really close race for a while.If the race lasts for more than 1/8th of a mile the SS/SC should have little trouble going back around the Mustang though.BTW as far as I know stock to stock the S197 V6s are QUICKER than the '96-'98 4.6 GTs and probably the '94-'95 5.0s as too.

 

Actually the 4.0's are fairly hard to launch. When you get it right, it can launch pretty hard, but our clutch is kind of funny and there is no lsd in the stock 7.5, so you're goin one wheel peel style. one wheel drive + 240 ft lbs and the clutch in that thing can make for tough launches. Once you get used to it it's not bad, but when i first got mine, it was tough to get used to...of course i was used to just sidestepping LOL.

 

there was one running at the track last week it ran 15.5-16.0 all day lol

 

Didn't consider the lack of a lsd,is it a option or not offered at all?Also do they have 3.31s like the GTs?

 

it isn't offered. Yes they have 3.31's, but first gear is considerably shorter than you would expect. With the pony package you can launch the car quite a bit harder (comes with a few suspension goodies, gt wheels and the pirrellis that come on the gt), but the base model is harder to launch than you would think. Most people wont see below a 2.15 60' on stock rubber which is not great for a car with that torque and rwd. The right driver will run 14's in it, but it will be all over the place without a good driver. This is why it is great with mods though. A CAI/tune package from one of the major dealers will cost you around 500 bucks and put you around 200whp/230rwtq. Throw on some lca's and you are in the mid 14's. Put in a locker/lsd and some gears with that and low 14's are yours.

 

NEGATIVE.

Apparently, you had overlooked the very first line of the Mustang Test that I had posted:

"2007 Ford Mustang V-6 (5-speed)"

NEGATIVE x 2

I have personally witnessed an 06 5-spd Stang running at the track, and it was only turning mid-15's.

I remember this because at the time I was racing my '06 Focus ST, I noticed that the Stang was running 1/2" quicker than my own ride (I was turning 16.0's-16.1's).

 

That's your "proof" that an 05+ Pony Package 5-speed V6 Mustang isn't capable of high 14's?... ONE guy running mid-15's?

By that logic, a stock 2000 V6 Mustang is faster than an AMG E55 Mercedes in the 1/8th mile because I happened to beat one ONCE because the AMG driver had no clue what he was doing.

Whether you like it or not, an '05+ manual V6 Mustang is CAPABLE of high 14's, and ONE instance of a driver not capable of running that time is not even CLOSE to proof against that.

 

I agree with you. One race is not fact. Lots of people on this site like to make one race fact for all races. I have run a few v6 stangs in my ss/sc and they were not impressive at all. I am not stock (S2/I/H/E), but I would have hoped for better perfromance from them.

But I do have question about the "pony package". Is this a factory option or a dealer installed option? If it is a factory option, im suprised that C&D didn't run any tests with this package. If it is a dealer option then my car would be able to race one "stock for stock".

 

Yeah, ultimately, one race means nothing... especially street races.

Now, when a car runs a time at the track, it essentially proves that it is CAPABLE of that time, but it puts no limits on the cars capability of running a faster or slower time.

For instance, that V6 ran a mid-15, let's say 15.5. It proves that the car is capable of 15.5, but it doesn't mean it's not capable of 14.7, or 16.7, for that matter.

On the other hand, the fact that several of them have run high 14's means that they are capable of high 14's, but of course, that doesn't mean that others, with crappy drivers or conditions will run mid-15's.

It goes both ways, but a single mid-15 doesn't mean much when other cars have already run significantly faster times. It only shows that, yes, some people can drive better than others. It cannot prove that they are only capable of mid-15's when other cars have gone faster.


You have a high 13-second car, give or take, probably. That's why they haven't been impressive. Either way, even stock vs. stock, the SS/SC is faster than any stock V6 Mustang.


I believe that the Pony Package is a factory option, but cakeeater would probably know for sure.

Either way, the difference isn't that big between the two, and the Pony Package wasn't available for 2005, so it's quite unlikely that a magazine would go back and test another V6 Mustang just because it's got new wheels, tires, and a couple GT suspesion things. Know what I mean?

 

Here are real world 1/4 mile times , along with a couple of magazine runs, of V6 Mustangs, 2005+. None are in the 14 second range. Please show us were a STOCK 2005+ Mustang V6 ran high 14's.

Real world 1/4 times for 2005 and newer V6 Mustangs. The last two listed on page six are the only STOCK cars.

Real 1/4 times on a Mustang message board.

Another Mustang message board.

Car & Driver comparison. BTW, the V6 Mustang edged out the Cobalt SS by .4 seconds for 1st place.

Motor Trend comparison of a V6 Mustang Convt. to a Pontiac G6 Convt.

 

good job retard, the automatic is a 5-speed too. Read the article, it was a BASE AUTOMATIC just like i said.

well considering i watched my buddies run a 15.08@91.9 stock without the pony package
, i'd say it's pretty possible to run a 14. There was a mag that ran one of the pony package cars to a 14.8. I can't remember which one, but im sure you can search and find it. Quite a few people have run flat 15's without the pony package, and the pp tires are MUCH MUCH stickier than the base ones. Just look around more, there are people that have run 14's stock. Go to 4.0collective.com, there is one guy that ran a 14.9something and a few others. Most people just dont keep em stock for long at all. I never even ran it at the track stock. pony package IS a factory option too.

 

Thanks for the info on the pony package.

 

a guy i work with with an 06 mustang with the pony package swore up and down that his car would smoke me with my current mods, and he knew what i ran at the track, when we raced. he had a 3"exhaust and port matched intake and exhaust(haha with his redneck smarts and a dremmel, so its not really port matched in my opinion) but we raced, and he wasnt close, except in 1st gear. but i drove a stock one and they are amazingly torquey, i like driving them, but i dont want to own one, but i wouldnt mind if my wife did. i wish my motor's torque peaked at 2800rpms

 

my tq is pretty consistent from 3k up gotta love that 2.5 pulley