ggarcia86

i would like to have the longer first gear, but i'd rather take the first gear and add a longer extra 6th gear to help with gas mileage, b/c i have noticed alot of times during races my longer gears in the 5 speed would help me win the race. i could hold on the the gear while the other car shifted and it would help gain ground(mostly 2nd and 3rd though).

sunfirejoe

iTrader: (1)

if ur racing in 5th gear ur an idiot, theres a 1/4 miles for a reason

TVS_SS

whateva.. 5th is fastest!! Woo!!

my car is so fast, i shift into 5th by the 1/8th

Pyros777

iTrader: (4)

I'll get on it and post up the new graphs asap.

edit: Done. New graphs and text are up.

5-speed
40mph in 1st @ 7200rpms

6-speed
49mph in 1st @ 7200rpms!

Thats pretty impressive if you ask me!

Cobalt_Supercharged

Yeah that is very impressive. Even in stock form the engine needs that. Although I would still prefer they kept 2 through 5 the same and possibly add the even smaller ratio for 6th. Maybe bring 4th and 5th a little closer to 3rd. Who am I kidding, I really doesn't matter what I think, I'll never buy it.

EmperorJJ1

iTrader: (5)

Thats what i wanted to know.. but like everyone else the price makes me

sunfirejoe

iTrader: (1)

honestly ill buy it if it helps out with my god damn first gear, im already deep into it, so i man as well, its a good thing, money is pretty easy to come by in alberta

InfinityzeN

$4k? Are they expecting to sell any of these at all? That idea of taking this new 1st, the stock 2nd through 5th, and adding a deep overdrive 6th would most likely sell a lot more, but the price would have to come way down.

ggarcia86

yeah true,(obviously not racing in 5th) i'll just take a even longer 5 gear for even better gas mileage and the longer first gear for better traction.

" i could hold on the the gear while the other car shifted and it would help gain ground(mostly 2nd and 3rd though)."

victory_red_SS

iTrader: (2)

Well then Joe may I suggest you become #3 for RWD (I have Paul 98% convinced) as it solves traction and transmission problems all at once.

EmperorJJ1

iTrader: (5)

lol ya if money was easy then i would want rwd for sure

InfinityzeN

Victory... don't even make me say it. You sir (in military shorthand), are a...
Bravo-Alfa-Sierra-Tango-Alfa-Romeo-Delta

Teasing everyone with your soon to be RWD and 6 speed combo. How dare you, I mean, really.

victory_red_SS

iTrader: (2)

Well I have been called worse, so thank you.
I actually hope to see others do this too. It is doable.
Now back to my being a Bravo-Alfa-Sierra-Tango-Alfa-Romeo-Delta, I need to have some fun. Most of you get to drive your cars daily. I have been with out my car for 363 days now (but who's counting?), I have forked out a wad of cash and being a bastard is the second most fun I get after sex.
I am glad my wife is still in commision.

EmperorJJ1

iTrader: (5)

thanks for the bold i didnt get it at first

BLKblurr06

2nd gear in the 6 speed is better, IMO 1st gear is longer, causing less wheel hop and tire spinning which would benefit 2nd gear with more momentum and 2nd is a closer ratio than stock which would make it accelerate stronger, still who has the money for this??
BTW is this a complete transmission are just a conversion kit that requires taking apart the stocker???

brandondrecksage

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BLKblurr06

missed that bottom part, that's ridiculous for the $$$

I bet some SCCA race teams will be sneaking this into their build..

brandondrecksage

yeah, it is. I wonder what made quafie think this was a good idea for that price. usually before the r&d something they would see if its worth making. I bet you would be hard pressed to find any cobalts that would buy this. Our car cost 21k. The price of just the gears and shafts is a 1/5 of the total price of the car(for just an extra gear and better ratios, but a decent amount of power will fix the crappy stock ratios)! Not including install. Not to mention the lack of a lsd with it. This just blows my mind who though it was a good idea.

InfinityzeN

Anyone consider changing the rear ratio? End up with slightly longer gears and a little less wheel torque. If you guys don't understand all the conversions, I'll list some specks done up with Stage 2.

Stock, you peak at about 2600~2650ft/lbs of torque at the wheels in 1st Gear
Stage 2, you peak at about 3,140ft/lbs of torque at the wheels in 1st Gear
Stage 2 w/ 3.76 rear: +7.5% speed and -6.9% Torque@wheels (1st Gear Peak: 2925ft/lbs)
Stage 2 w/ 3.55 rear: +13.8% speed and -12.1% Torque@wheels (1st Gear Peak: 2760ft/lbs)

Cobalt_Supercharged

That wouldn't solve the problem with the RPM drop from first to 2nd gear though. It would actually make it worse if I'm not mistaken. If there was just a way to change 1st gear, I would much rather do that. 1st is the only gear that is a problem.

Dezod

I WISH we had a grand worth of margin to play with.

InfinityzeN

Actually, you would end up with the same ratios. So the 1st to 2nd shift would be at the exact same rpms. You just wouldn't have quite as much torque in first and it would last a little longer.

CobaltSS313

subscribing to this thread seems interesting

brandondrecksage

it would drop the same, but since all of the gears would be taller, it would make it seem more sluggish because of falling out of the powerband.

RuSSo-29

So the LSD you get with the G85 pkg wouldn't be able to stay in the trand if you bought this setup?