x infinity and beyond...learn the skills yourself just like heel/toe practice practice practice. All that these electonic helpers do is make you think you're a better driver than you are then you crash because you really actually don't know how to drive because a frickin' computer has been doing everything for you. The least talked about mods in here are "driver mods" yet that's the mod that will give you the most bang for the buck. $0 actually becoming a better driver priceless!

 

now what's wrong with suicide doors?

 

my sweet spot for clutchless shifting is bringing it out at 3100 rpm. no grind at all... or am i misundestanding the use of the word rev-matching

 

Rev matching is optional (highly recommended) when using the clutch. It is a must when not using the clutch.

Save your tranny, save your clutch....and sound cool in the process

 

Is there any more danger to doing this then to shift with a jerk? For the most part I find myself breaking and then trying to rev match which kinda defeats the purpose I thought, so mostly i let it slow down. IE. in 5th, will break with clutch in till it drops to about 40mph (about 1600 rpms) and then shift into 4th. It doesn't jerk at all and very smooth, but is it worse then jerking or on par with rev matching?

 

This thread makes me LOL.

 

No clutch FTW! I've found in these cars, though, that if you catch the downshift on the way up with the RPM's, it jerks something fierce (think amish girl w/ butter churn). So I overrev it by like 1-200 and she slips right in.

 

That's why you heel/toe. It is smooth the way you do it, but it also burns the clutch.

look up "how to heel toe" in google.

 

i think the new GTR comes with it too...and i think you can pick one of them up for about $70,000...not bad

 

and you better hope it doesn't brake... because the tranny costs more than your cobalt...

 

Nah, whole point of heel and toe is to allow you to downshift smoothly (little or no clutch slipage) while braking. If you are not using your toe (or the side of your foot in many cases) to blip the throttle and rev match, you're doing something wrong.....

 

can you explain how my method is burning the clutch (im still trying to learn so bare with me). Its just like any normal shift I would do. I can see if it would hurt the syncro's transmission...buts its just like putting into neutral letting RPMs drop then shifting into the next gear lower. Its smooth and im not riding the clutch and it isn't bogging the engine.

Im not supporting this, im just wondering what damage its actually doing..

 

If you are shifting up, that's pretty much what you want to do, clutch in, select next gear up as the revs drop, clutch out. Get the timing right and it's smooth like butter, minimal clutch slip and driveline shock.

Downshift is a bit different....clutch in, select next gear down, tap the throttle, clutch out. Same as upshifting, get the timing right and the stick falls right into gear and all is smooth.

If you are putting the car in a lower gear and letting the clutch out without blipping, the rotation of the trans is dragging the engine (via the clutch) up to speed, this is slipping the life out of your clutch or jerking the hell out of your car, driveline, passengers, etc.

In a nutshell, you want the engine and transmission turning at (as nearly possible) the same speed when you let the clutch out. Takes a bit of practice but pays huge results in longer clutch life, reduced chance of driveline breakage, and serious cool factor when you can shift as smooth as an automatic

 

yea, that's what I said. If you read his post, the one I quoted, he said he is finding himself having to brake and downshift at the same time... hence why I told him to look up heel/toe.

 

Doh, reading > me last night. Thought you were saying heel and toe would burn the clutch but you were pointing out that his method was doing the dirty to the disc.

Need more coffee!!!!