So I Was Thinking About Forced Induction...
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Well all considered f/i is created only after the engine gets to work weather by pulley or exhaust. So, the only things left to consider is electrical or an outside source such as another engine which could be adjusted to maintain a certain amount of boost to the main engine. but that would just be crazy.
You could consider something simple like a huge tank of air. but N2O does a much better job IMO.
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You could consider something simple like a huge tank of air. but N2O does a much better job IMO.
Just my $.02
well...you need to find a power source. large molecules go into an engine, create heat, and then go out. the heat powers the engine and turns into motion. so you have motion that can power your induction system which is what a supercharger is fed from, and you have hot gasses which is what a turbocharger is driven off of.
the most innovative idea ive seen is Crower's (of crower rods) 6 stroke engine. same old strokes on 1-4, but stroke 5 is an additional upstroak to TDC, where water is then injected into the very hot engine. The water evaporates and expands forcing the piston back down to make a 6th power stroke. 2 power strokes per 6 total strokes versus 1 power stroke per 4 total strokes. that raises efficiency from 25% to 33%, and would use a very cheap fuel source.
The inherent problem with this is rust proofing and water proofing the entire engine system and preventing it from being flooded. However, the water would cool the engine, allowing the advancement of ignition timing, yielding more energy that would have otherwise been wasted.
Another thing I've thought of are those solar cells. A car's biggest waste product is heat. anywhere from 60% to 80% of the energy in gasoline is dissipated as heat. Solar cells are the only alternative way (opposed to turbos) that i know of off the top of my head to convert that energy back into useable energy. The main problem I see with THIS however, is I dont think solar cells convert heat into electricity fast enough to dissipate it fast enough. Im pretty sure removing the heat dissipating radiator and putting in a solar cell would cause the engine to get too hot, causing major issues. This idea might work if someone can invent a solar cell that converts heat into electricity so fast, it would actually get cool. Then running several of those would be a great alternative, and can be used effectively on hybrid vehicles.
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the most innovative idea ive seen is Crower's (of crower rods) 6 stroke engine. same old strokes on 1-4, but stroke 5 is an additional upstroak to TDC, where water is then injected into the very hot engine. The water evaporates and expands forcing the piston back down to make a 6th power stroke. 2 power strokes per 6 total strokes versus 1 power stroke per 4 total strokes. that raises efficiency from 25% to 33%, and would use a very cheap fuel source.
The inherent problem with this is rust proofing and water proofing the entire engine system and preventing it from being flooded. However, the water would cool the engine, allowing the advancement of ignition timing, yielding more energy that would have otherwise been wasted.
Another thing I've thought of are those solar cells. A car's biggest waste product is heat. anywhere from 60% to 80% of the energy in gasoline is dissipated as heat. Solar cells are the only alternative way (opposed to turbos) that i know of off the top of my head to convert that energy back into useable energy. The main problem I see with THIS however, is I dont think solar cells convert heat into electricity fast enough to dissipate it fast enough. Im pretty sure removing the heat dissipating radiator and putting in a solar cell would cause the engine to get too hot, causing major issues. This idea might work if someone can invent a solar cell that converts heat into electricity so fast, it would actually get cool. Then running several of those would be a great alternative, and can be used effectively on hybrid vehicles.
theres my science bit for the day
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the most innovative idea ive seen is Crower's (of crower rods) 6 stroke engine. same old strokes on 1-4, but stroke 5 is an additional upstroak to TDC, where water is then injected into the very hot engine. The water evaporates and expands forcing the piston back down to make a 6th power stroke. 2 power strokes per 6 total strokes versus 1 power stroke per 4 total strokes. that raises efficiency from 25% to 33%, and would use a very cheap fuel source.
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i think it's right on crower's front page, isn't it? saw that a while back myself...pretty awesome.
i remember it mentioning that it also keeps the cylinders and valves and whatnot much cleaner (steam cleaning ftw), increases mileage by a great amount, and power a bit too.
an electric supercharger i wouldn't call a failure yet. just need a better way to power it and to create specific levels of boost at specific RPMs\throttle levels. hydrogen-powered electric motor would solve the problem of having to use the alternator to run the unit, but weight would become the new issue...a second battery trickle-charged similar to the way hybrids do with kinetic energy conversions (breaking and such) could be possible, I would imagine.
it would almost have to be done @ the factory though, because I think an electric supercharger would require some serious custom-computer controllers to be truely effective..
then again, im completely exhausted and on a major sugar-rush (sour patch kids and WaWa iced tea ftw!)
but in all seriousness, I think that the innovations made\still being made in the current FI world are pretty remarkable...just making it all more reliable and cost-effective at this point is what's really key...
i remember it mentioning that it also keeps the cylinders and valves and whatnot much cleaner (steam cleaning ftw), increases mileage by a great amount, and power a bit too.
an electric supercharger i wouldn't call a failure yet. just need a better way to power it and to create specific levels of boost at specific RPMs\throttle levels. hydrogen-powered electric motor would solve the problem of having to use the alternator to run the unit, but weight would become the new issue...a second battery trickle-charged similar to the way hybrids do with kinetic energy conversions (breaking and such) could be possible, I would imagine.
it would almost have to be done @ the factory though, because I think an electric supercharger would require some serious custom-computer controllers to be truely effective..
then again, im completely exhausted and on a major sugar-rush (sour patch kids and WaWa iced tea ftw!)
but in all seriousness, I think that the innovations made\still being made in the current FI world are pretty remarkable...just making it all more reliable and cost-effective at this point is what's really key...
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i think it's right on crower's front page, isn't it? saw that a while back myself...pretty awesome.
i remember it mentioning that it also keeps the cylinders and valves and whatnot much cleaner (steam cleaning ftw), increases mileage by a great amount, and power a bit too.
an electric supercharger i wouldn't call a failure yet. just need a better way to power it and to create specific levels of boost at specific RPMs\throttle levels. hydrogen-powered electric motor would solve the problem of having to use the alternator to run the unit, but weight would become the new issue...a second battery trickle-charged similar to the way hybrids do with kinetic energy conversions (breaking and such) could be possible, I would imagine.
it would almost have to be done @ the factory though, because I think an electric supercharger would require some serious custom-computer controllers to be truely effective..
then again, im completely exhausted and on a major sugar-rush (sour patch kids and WaWa iced tea ftw!)
but in all seriousness, I think that the innovations made\still being made in the current FI world are pretty remarkable...just making it all more reliable and cost-effective at this point is what's really key...
i remember it mentioning that it also keeps the cylinders and valves and whatnot much cleaner (steam cleaning ftw), increases mileage by a great amount, and power a bit too.
an electric supercharger i wouldn't call a failure yet. just need a better way to power it and to create specific levels of boost at specific RPMs\throttle levels. hydrogen-powered electric motor would solve the problem of having to use the alternator to run the unit, but weight would become the new issue...a second battery trickle-charged similar to the way hybrids do with kinetic energy conversions (breaking and such) could be possible, I would imagine.
it would almost have to be done @ the factory though, because I think an electric supercharger would require some serious custom-computer controllers to be truely effective..
then again, im completely exhausted and on a major sugar-rush (sour patch kids and WaWa iced tea ftw!)
but in all seriousness, I think that the innovations made\still being made in the current FI world are pretty remarkable...just making it all more reliable and cost-effective at this point is what's really key...
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http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...THISWEEKSISSUE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crower_six_stroke
^^ includes a list of pros and cons. pretty awesome stuff
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