Originally Posted by Staged07SS

If they made the N/A 2.4L the Sport from the beginning there would be zero issues. The N/A 2.4's def. deserve the Sport badge as they are a true upgrade from the base 2.2's in stock form. It would have been the perfect setup .... 2.2's, 2.4 Sports, 2.0 SS/SC & 2.0 SS/TC.

Originally Posted by soundjunky

@ EcoTecDriver

Huh??

Is somebody posting purely in hopes of getting flamed?

Crap man, although I know what you say, and in many camps it has merit, but I (like so many others here) like the SS, and am glad they revived the SS moniker to put on the Cobalt;
it eludes to more of Chevrolet's heritage of performance cars built with SS badging.

regarding the people who think (here or anywhere else) that the Cobalt should have never had an SS badge, lets look at the high watermark compact Chevrolet from the musclecar days;

1969-1970 Nova SS c/w 'L78' 396cid
To the best of my knowledge the fastest period road test peg this car at:
0-60mph = 5.9seconds
standing quarter mile = 14.5seconds

Now, lets compare that to he latest itineration of the Cobalt SS;

2008-2010 Cobalt SS
to the best of my knowledge the best magazine road test peg this car at:
0-60mph = 5.5seconds
standing quarter mile = 13.9seconds

IMHO, that clearly puts the Cobalt SS as being worthy of the badge.

Let's say you still don't agree;
fair enough.

Let's try looking at this from a different angle;
Back when musclecars were new, they were primarily marketed to a younger audience, and made affordable for that audience.
Using 1969 & 2009 as comparison because they're 30 years apart;

Q: What did the 1969 Nova with the L78 motor cost?
A: roughly $3,500

Q: What is $3,500usd worth when calculated (via inflation calculator) in 2009 dollars?
A: $19,700

Q: What can you buy for $19,700 these days that comes close to that '69 L78 nova?
A: NOTHING, if you're going to be legalistic - but if you're flexible, you should see a parallel here with the Nova's $19,700 price, and the aprox $23,000 Cobalt SS msrp.

When you stop to consider that:
1) the Nova was the compact for Chevrolet back then...
2) the performance is comparable between the two...
3) the MSRP is comparable between the two...
4) the cars were/are marketed to the exact same age group...

You should hopefully be reasonable, step back and conclude that the Cobalt SS is most certainly worthy of the "SS" badges it adorns.



Here's another thing to ponder;

IMHO, the current Camaro SS is being marketed not to the same age group as it was back in the late 1960's, but the exact same people that were going out and buying 1967-1973 Camaro's brand new...
The MSRP for an SS-2(?) Camaro in Canada is sitting at about $51k landed with dealer mark up or whatnot (or so I was told off the record from some GM-dealership employees, right after one bought one that he thought was a low option car).
Sorry, but I don't know too many twenty or thirty somethings that are able to go out and plop down over $40k on a car...



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Regarding the low power Z28;
That car was a sign of the times, and back then that was as good as the US gov't would allow due to engine size & emission limits.
The 3rd gen Fbody's are great cars for their time, and there really is no need to knock them here just because this isn't an F-body site.
(Essentially the same can be said about hte 200hp Corvette.)

Originally Posted by RGLASM

I support the idea that the 2.4L SS should have been a RS

Originally Posted by JonyyB

I am not sure if that was a direct quote, or if that’s something Inside Line crafted

DETROIT — Don't expect Chevrolet in the future to put the SS moniker on every model in the same way, says General Motors new Vice President of Global Engineering Mark Reuss.

Reuss told reporters Thursday that instead of smearing the SS across Chevrolets "like peanut butter," the "new" GM will carefully consider which models get the SS designation at all, which ones will get SS as just a trim level and which ones will get the full SS treatment.

He noted that throughout Chevrolet's history, SS has been used as a sporty trim package as well as on a full-blown model with a powerful engine and all of the accompaniments. But mixing the two strategies as GM did with the Cobalt was "a mistake," he said.

"We probably didn't do a very good job on the Cobalt SS," said Reuss, who headed GM's performance operations before taking over GM's Holden operations in Australia, just prior to his newest job. "We came out with probably the best sport compact tuner with the 265-horsepower Cobalt SS. That car was an amazing track car, it was fun to drive and it was very affordable."

But then GM also put the SS label on a Cobalt as a trim package but without the engine and other performance hardware.

"That was confusing — confusing to me and confusing to the customer," said Reuss. "It's like trainspotting, figuring out which SS has the 265-horsepower engine."

Inside Line says: Chevrolet's SS label in the future will mean something. — Michelle Krebs, Senior Analyst and Editor at Large
http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...boss-says.html

Originally Posted by SSBowTieMan

i think that there is no qustion that the sc/tc bolts hold true to the ss badge. i cant think of any car on the bolt platform that can compare at all and that to me is worthy of the ss badge. and i also think that unless you are a camaro or the all mighty vette you dont get the "Z"

but the ss/na should have been a rs or a sport not SS

Originally Posted by Cobalt_Daddy

i for one love the fact that people think my SS/TC Sedan in an N/A all the time haha

but ya the N/A's probably should have been sport models not a true SS.

Then again consider the fact that a monte carlo SS is dog slow and it has SS badges... :/ my first car was an 88 monte carlo SS .. loved the car but far from fast..

Originally Posted by Red John

I'm glad they didn't call it Z24. People already call our cars Cavaliers.. 'Sport' would have been perfect. It makes soooo much sense... Sport, and then supersport for the highest model. It's a no-brainer.

Originally Posted by Jeffs 06SS 2.4

I dont understand why the camaro is a ss and that the most powerfule camaro will be the z28. The ss was always the most powerful and now they just switched it around.

Originally Posted by Jeffs 06SS 2.4

... They should have made the performance 2010 camaro a z28, then came out with the ss later as the best performance option.

Originally Posted by css9450

Perhaps if you make a few calls to GM they will issue an immediate recall and have all 2.4SSs rebadged as "RS" just to please you.

Originally Posted by Jeffs 06SS 2.4

^ Yeah and with the 4th gens, the ss was top dog over the z28. It just doesnt make sense to come out with a camaro ss and then come out with the z28 which has more power and is top dog. They should have made the performance 2010 camaro a z28, then came out with the ss later as the best performance option.

Originally Posted by recklessactn

Wow I hope this wasn't a direct quote bc first off that is sad that he doesnt know he cars that GM had produced lol and second hes talking about when the cobalt ss/sc and the cobalt ss/2.4 were both out in 2005-2007. He complimented the supercharged car as a amazing car that DESERVED the "SS" emblem and how the 2.4 was not up to par and was a different sub trim.

Originally Posted by kikal8

ive said this from the beginning. its a stupid thing i agree. they should make people with the ss badge to appreciate it. not go well i have the ss tc model and then drive up next to a na ss and go, is that turbo or sc or just na? gm should make ss a rare and special badge.

Originally Posted by LethalSS

obviously it should be placed on the v8 cars only, to eliminate the worry and consternation about whats a real ss among the kids who buy the 4 cyls.