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Old 02-18-2009, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt2921
Definitely switching to VW/Audi. Already liked them as it was, but now I have even more of a reason to.
VW/Audi makes nice looking trash.
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Originally Posted by emiller
VW/Audi makes nice looking trash.
I am sorry but I have to agree they are overly engineered and pricey to fix not practical at all .. Not so much Audi but V dub
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Originally Posted by emiller
VW/Audi makes nice looking trash.
If by "trash" you mean some of the best cars that you can by, then sure they have a lotta "trash"



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vw owns audi i dont see how you hate one and like the other!
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Does this mean gm stage 2 will no longer be manufactured or they will stop producing them? I was planning on buying it for summer time but now that this news is out it has me worried.
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vw owns audi i dont see how you hate one and like the other!
haha exactly. I've had a few of my buds say that. Same company. Hell my buddy's 05 GLI, you can spot a bunch of Audi parts since their logo's on a bunch of the engine components. I kinda fell in love with Audi and VW because of a few friends who own them.. one with an 01 A6 and the other with that 05 GLI.. and then there's a guy we know with a 10 second Audi S4. Sick as ballz.
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Can't ANY of you read? Once GM gets back on its feet, they will look into the high performance vehicles again! It's not DEATH TO ALL THINGS GO FAST!!

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The High Performance Vehicle Operations unit could be reinstated once GM regains its financial health, GM's Muniga said.

"These guys are pretty good at what they do," Muniga said, "They are moving into different areas to work on core products."
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The GM Performance Division put out alot of great cars over the past few years, not to mention all the track testing and such that they did went into developing the GM Performance Parts catalog which is a huge business as well.

They are taking away a profitable section of the company, not to mention the only positive press it ever got. Throughout the 90s and the first part of this decade they completely missed out on the market that is sport compacts. Now again they are abandoning it and missing out on the market share. Tuners put alot more money and positive press back into the hands of the company than the Volt ever will.
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Can't ANY of you read? Once GM gets back on its feet, they will look into the high performance vehicles again! It's not DEATH TO ALL THINGS GO FAST!!
thats funny, they said that about the camaro, and that was 5 plus years ago. And they are in a pile of **** right now, so....15 years? Ill be retired by then!
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Originally Posted by Cobalt2921
haha exactly. I've had a few of my buds say that. Same company. Hell my buddy's 05 GLI, you can spot a bunch of Audi parts since their logo's on a bunch of the engine components. I kinda fell in love with Audi and VW because of a few friends who own them.. one with an 01 A6 and the other with that 05 GLI.. and then there's a guy we know with a 10 second Audi S4. Sick as ballz.
I HATE honduh.......but I <3 my Acura.
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Originally Posted by Cobalt2921
If by "trash" you mean some of the best cars that you can by, then sure they have a lotta "trash"



best looking, maybe. My dad had an a8L that had more problems than all the cars we have ever owned combined. The brakes always had issues, it smelled like gas ALL the time and the transmission would always get stuck in certain gears. It was nice as all hell and looked great, but it was one of the worst built cars as far as reliability.
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Originally Posted by TheCaptain
Can't ANY of you read? Once GM gets back on its feet, they will look into the high performance vehicles again! It's not DEATH TO ALL THINGS GO FAST!!
thats if they do.
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Can't ANY of you read? Once GM gets back on its feet, they will look into the high performance vehicles again! It's not DEATH TO ALL THINGS GO FAST!!
Yes, but it could be quite some time before GM regains it's "financial health". By then we'll surely be fed up of Cobalts and drive real cars.
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Originally Posted by Illini_06SS
One car does not save an eternity of bland automobiles.
from the years of 1970, to 199x, if you bought a japanese sporty car, the odds are, it was a toyota product.

corolla SR5s, MR2s, celicas, celica-supras, all-tracs, etc.

we just get the boring crap now.

Originally Posted by Cobalt2921
haha exactly. I've had a few of my buds say that. Same company. Hell my buddy's 05 GLI, you can spot a bunch of Audi parts since their logo's on a bunch of the engine components. I kinda fell in love with Audi and VW because of a few friends who own them.. one with an 01 A6 and the other with that 05 GLI.. and then there's a guy we know with a 10 second Audi S4. Sick as ballz.
the rings are not an audi logo, that's the autounion logo.

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Old 02-18-2009, 07:46 PM
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Yes, but it could be quite some time before GM regains it's "financial health". By then we'll surely be fed up of Cobalts and drive real cars.
AND by that time, GM will have learned to build real cars.
Bring back the Caprice!!
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AND by that time, GM will have learned to build real cars.
Bring back the Caprice!!
26 billion is alot too over come. Im pulling for GM but there in worse shape then dodge in the mid 70's
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
from the years of 1970, to 199x, if you bought a japanese sporty car, the odds are, it was a toyota product.

corolla SR5s, MR2s, celicas, celica-supras, all-tracs, etc.

we just get the boring crap now.



the rings are not an audi logo, that's the autounion logo.
exactly. toyota had the mr2, the supra, the non supra celicas, the all-tracs, etc.

Nissan has the z cars and the skylines along with the infiniti g which is technically a skyline, the silvias, etc.

Honda had/has the nsx, the integras, etc.

Performance is not where the money is in the US right now, at least not the majority of the country. GM needs to get back on their feet before they try to make enthusiasts happy.
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well I'm hoping in 10 or so years they'll regain footing and get back to where they started... Remember things were similiar in the 70's when most of the great cars were killed off. *fingers crossed*
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oh well we always have the aftermarket right?
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
from the years of 1970, to 199x, if you bought a japanese sporty car, the odds are, it was a toyota product.

corolla SR5s, MR2s, celicas, celica-supras, all-tracs, etc.

we just get the boring crap now.



the rings are not an audi logo, that's the autounion logo.
auto union now = audi.
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Does this mean gm stage 2 will no longer be manufactured or they will stop producing them? I was planning on buying it for summer time but now that this news is out it has me worried.
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Originally Posted by cakeeater
best looking, maybe. My dad had an a8L that had more problems than all the cars we have ever owned combined. The brakes always had issues, it smelled like gas ALL the time and the transmission would always get stuck in certain gears. It was nice as all hell and looked great, but it was one of the worst built cars as far as reliability.
Thank you for clearing that up !

Originally Posted by CamaroMuscleZ28
well I'm hoping in 10 or so years they'll regain footing and get back to where they started... Remember things were similiar in the 70's when most of the great cars were killed off. *fingers crossed*
By that time I will have a used ZR 1 good enough for me .

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Old 02-18-2009, 08:18 PM
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I'll always support GM.
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Originally Posted by rocco11189
Does this mean gm stage 2 will no longer be manufactured or they will stop producing them? I was planning on buying it for summer time but now that this news is out it has me worried.
If the car model line was killed off, GM still makes replacment parts for ten years following the vehicles demise. I do not know if this same principle applies to GMPParts, but it is something to think about.
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I'll always support GM.
Im with you on that one!!!


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