I spoke with my GM product rep today, and all he would say is that they are gonna change the Cobalt a little for 2008, but i couldn't get any specifics out of him.

 

THEY ALREADY HAVE DONE IT !!!!!! .....in case anyone missed the pictures of a couple HHR's (same chassis as us ) doing emissions testing with a pack of Soltice GXP's and Sky Redlines . Both HHR's had large front mount air to air intercoolers . No theres no official word , but youd have to have your head in the mud if you think the HHR SS will have the 2.0 turbo and the Cobalt will keep the LSJ . Its gonna be hard to find info pertaining to a Cobalt , but look for stuff on the HHR SS . GM has a few high profile important new production cars and a few RWD concepts this auto show season ....a mild exterior refresh and a engine change for a Cobalt wont even be close to a focal point of mention until probabaly some time mid next year just before it comes out .

Heres why the cobalt is gonna lost in the mix this auto show season

Production Debuts
2008 Malibu
2008 Caddy CTS
2008 Pontiac RWD sedan ....aka Holden Commodore SS-V
The long awaited Blue Devil Corvette
08 Saturn Vue
08 Buick Lacross Super ( LS4 V8 )
08 Saturn Astra
Camaro

Concepts
2 RWD sedans

Rumored but not official
Caddy CTC coupe
Camaro Convertible
production ready Solstice coupe
small Holden Torana based Pontiac sedan
HHR SS

GM has game this year

If you wanna check on the cobalt though a site called cheersandgears.com would have info before any mag or net site would .

 

A little insider news (from a buddy at the GM research center in Miflord).
The 2 RWD's are based on the Caddy line-up. I think he said one is a Buick, and the other is a Pontiac. Basically cheaper versions of the CTS.

 

No auto manuf. would ever only have a 3 year run with an engine. It will not happen. At least in 09 and that is still in question. The reason the Cobalt SS is unique is because it is a little muscle car... Supercharged. Everything out there is turbo... Instant boost with a supercharger on this small little eco car is a great combo.

If GM makes the cobalt turbo, then thats great... You will see just as many idiots with just blow off valves as SRT-4's.

And for all the people who say "Oh... I'm just gonna trade in my SS/SC for the SS/TC when it comes out. Why?? You will lose so much money due to depreciation.

Don't expect the price tag of a "turbo cobalt" to be as low as the SS/SC's either. It will definietly start around $24k.

Also, have fun paying more for insurance on a car rated at 260hp.

 

....it wont be the Pontiac . Pontiac is no longer using the US Zeta chassis . The production ready Pontiac will there along with the 2 Zeta RWD sedans . Cadillac wont be using a Zeta car simply because its a cheaper version of its own exclusive Sigma chassis .

 

Don't forget, the Solstice and Sky are both RWD, which is more exspensive to build. Plus, they are both for a niche market which allows them to have a higher price than the car is probably actually worth.

 

can anyone name an engine that GM made that was praised by many people and magazines as one of the top 10 engines, just stop using it after only 3 years?

 

GM is not really changing the engine, just the forced induction system and the fuel injector locations. Other than that, it will be very much the same.

 

lol you cant say they arent changing the engine when all do they are doing is changed from supercharger to turbo, adding direct injection, claiming 55 more HP. Lol its not the same engine anymore.

Its not as simple as slapping on a turbo and putting the injectors elsewhere. There is literally thousands and thousands of man hours that go into designing, testing, programing, and building evey engine. Gm didnt just take the LSJ and slap a turbo on it. THey designed the engine from the ground up again, with the basis of the LSJ.

 

All of what you say is easily taken care of with PCM programming!

That is why they are still using the same engine, it is already made to accept forced induction. The only thing that needs to be done is to re-program the PCM to change air-fuel mapping.

 

we should create a thread with THINGS WE SEEN BEFORE like they do on some other forums ive been on.

 

if 250hp is your idea of alot more. if you want more than that without worries of blowing your motor you'll have to tear into the engine.

 

No it isnt the same engine. The turbo engine has a different head that has variable valve timing and direct injection. The fuel injectors are repositioned closer to the combustion chamber and the cam profiles will be very different. Since this engine has electronic cam phasing the top end power curve will always have more potential than the LSJ even if the LSJ also had a turbo. They are both Ecotecs but since they are this differently configured they are not the same engine. Nuff said.

 

By the way I hate threads about a production turbo CobaltSS!

 

i highly doubt it. GM would basically be shooting itself in the foot one way or another. if it will be the same basic setup as the solstice gxp, they will either need to jack the price up on the balt turbo or detune it some so it doesn't match the solstice.

or they could twin charge the solstice!

 

So they're suppsedly changing tranny thus axle shafts correct?

According to Document ID#1864872 this would prove that to be wrong. GM is offering stiffer Axles and hardware for the current tranny to combat wheel hope.


NO TURBO COBALT

 

http://www.******************/forums...t-sky-red.html
The second post on the last page explains how the new turbo engine is gonna be harder to tune, but the engine is underrated in torque

Does anyone know whats up wit the stars? Its supposed to be redline.com

 

So whats up with this is there going to be a turbo cobalt or no??

 

*slaps everyone in this thread*


now get back to bed.



*rolls up the 1349th turbo cobalt thread and burns it*

 

A turbo in 08 is coming..i'm a supplier quality rep at the general motors lordstown car plant where the cobalts are built and a engineer friend of mind told me the turbo is coming..its going to be the same motor thats in the pontiac soltice gxp..260 horse..it'll have new lights, spolier, and i seen the new racing seats going in the turbo cobalt..june of 07' they should start buliding them

 

sweet. now we have "claimed" GM employees supporting this stuff on their first post on CSS.net
Forgive me if your credibility is a little flimsy right now.



ARG can we just ******* let all this heresay go.

christ if your so desparate for that blowoff valve "pshhhhh" why did you buy a supercharged cobalt.

 

haha, so it's gonna be rwd?? I smell a fake here.... nice try buddy

 

and you are who???????????

 

I was going to wait for the 08 turbo but I dont think my car will last that long, and i kinda like superchargers over turbos even though in terms of technology the LSJ will be way behind the new turbo motor

As far as seats I dont think it can get any better than recaros they fit my ass perfectly

 

I prefer a Supercharger over a turbo, instant boost is the way to go =) Then again im not trying to get my car to like 350 hp. more like 270, so the super charger on this car is more then enough for me.