I just got the Sunday Chicago Tribune and in the TRANSPORTATION section, 1st page is the main article entitled "Take that, Tuners" about the SEMA show and they have a pic and 2 paragraphs of what they refer to as the "2008 Cobalt SS Turbo w/ a turbocharged 2 liter that has 260 HP and replaces the 205 HP supercharged version used in 2007".
They also say "the Cobalt SS coupe is DUE in the SECOND QUARTER of 2008"

I thought some of you might the published release date

 

I dont think this car is going to live up to the hype on this site..

 

it's still a bunch more ponies ....
the HP difference did not sink in, until I saw it in print this morning, 55 HP more is alot!

 

not at all. As soon as everyone realizes that you can't get traction and it's still putting down times around that of the SS/SC, things will finally go back to normal and we won't have to lsiten to it anymore

 

probably not that much remeber our cars were underated, they put down 210~225 whp stock

 

gm has made some serious upgrades to the suspension and drivetrain to help with the traction issues. ive been able to find out that it comes stock witha rear strut brace among other things.

 

55 more looks good on paper, yes, but it's been shown that the LSJ's published power was below what the actual WHEEL HP was, and that the LNF's 260 is actually 260 at the crank (this has been shown on the solstice/sky LNF's), so it will be less than 260 at the wheels. We will see how much loss there is for a FWD application when it comes out.

If only the brochure was really what determined how fast a car was, life would be much more simple.

 

but it's still a turbo *shudders*... Boring, everybody else under the sun has turbos.

 

In stock from not really , your gaining 10 maaaybe 15 actual hp over a stock LSj . The area the 08 car has a clear advantage power wise , nobody is even mentioning hardly .....the LNF's nice fat tq curve that making full rated output from 2000-5300 <---stock lsj's dont do that

 

I have no desire for the TURBO... I am very content w/ my SC... and it's plenty fast enough!

I wonder how many LNF's they plan on producing?

 

My thoughts EXACTLY!!! When I bought my car I was looking for something with a supercharger, I didn't want a turbo car at all. I wanted something different, something A LOT of sporty cars don't have. I, for one, am not interested in the Cobalt SSRT-4.

 

Except something else the '08s do the LSJ doesn't, that everybody forgets too. It only makes that torque in gears 3, 4, 5. Its Chevy's nice little Torque managment idea. Torque is limited in gears 1 and 2. (i don't know to what though.)

 

Brembos and VVT...thats all i have to say...

 

brembos are nice, but vvt

 

The turbo cars stock will prolly be as fast as a stage2 SC . The brakes and suspension updates are nice. I myself like the recaro's better than the new seats , and i like the gunmetal wheel we have better .

The TC will be alot easier to mod thou , once they figure out how to tune it . I would bet that it breaks 300 whp with out replacing anything major. Thats were the TC going to shine , the 300-400 hp ranges.

 

brembos are nice but my ss/sc stops pretty damn good as it is, i have let people drive my car and they specificly mentioned how good the brakes were.

 

Forced induction is forced induction whether it's using a turbo or a supercharger. I don't get why some people are die hard supercharger or turbocharger lovers. The net result is still the same.

It might not make a lot of difference off the line, but from a 30 punch, I bet it does as long as the turbo is making boost.

 

it's all in what you like. I prefer linear power, and nothing beats that supercharger whine. I can't stand turbo any bit of lag (especially noticed backing up, but our SC boost is cut as well). Mainly turbo lag just when you want slow precise manuevers (parallel parking, etc). I'm not driving full throttle all the time. Sometimes i just want to pick up milk.
And i really, really can not stand the turbo sneeze (bov) sound. I have heard turbos with the bov routed back into the intake, and it sounds great, because of no bov sound.

The turbos i have driven have been mainly trucks, and the idea is slightly different then cars i know. It pisses me off when i'm backing up with a small, or huge trailer, want to make a maneuver, and the turbo boosts just when you give it that little bit of gas and screws you up. I just prefer to have a nice linear powered engine, and both NA and SC do it for my applications.

 

your out of your mind! the TC will NOT be easy to mod, the injectors cant be replaced and the tune for it will be WAAAAYYYYYY more complex then the ss/sc

let me copy/paste what my buddy that tunes my car posted about it.





but on a serious note, its a truly epic engine, DI is an amazing thing when used properly(such as this car) with lots of boost and some solid revs....thats when it shows its serious advantages.

from the extremely specific DI pistons, crazy head flows and combustion chamber shape, wicked fuel pressures, ect.....its just awesome.

its MASSIVE downfall in my eyes is the DIY ability of the engine. swapping injectors? NOPE, porting the head? NOPE, tuning NOTTA....well, ok HPT does support it but the tune is MASSIVE, 612 fuel parameters, plus spark, cam phase, boost control, tq mgt, ect....its crazy. i dont think most people with hpt have the skill, know how to tune that engine....

i personally look forward to tuning my first LNF car, i have severl stock files that i've played with but with out the real car to log and check changes on i dont how the car will react

 

If that is the case then why even bother adding stage 2 or any power mods to the LSJ??? Interesting

 

I really thing that we should be looking forward to this lnf engine and hoping that it does produce tons of power after add on's. think about it. one day you will need to replace the lsj. why not replace it with a car you love, that is capable of even more power? i think it is just the guys talking smack to the lsj guy's that **** me off. its a cobat guys. UNITE! lol.

 

I agree, I think its gonna be really cool to have the same car in both turbo and supercharger versions.

 

LOL, do you honestly think that the LNF has no higher HP potential ? I'm sure the injectors can be replaced, otherwise GM would have to scrap an engine for a bad injector. I should have said it will be easier to make more HP with an LNF , not the actual wrench turning. People will figure out a way to tune them , it just takes time and experimentation .

 

injectors replaced yes, replaced with bigger ones, no. and if you cant add fuel you arent going to be able to get much more power out of it. honestly i know nothing about it myself, i am just going by what my friend said, but pretty much every person with engine knowledge that i have shown what my friend posted has agreed.

 

I swear i have never been on a site with more bitchin, whining, andants lol, you ask for a tc balt, get it and still bitch.