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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by IMADreamer
Did you get that garbage from Fox News? It sounds like something they would say. and by that I mean totally made up and BS.
Why does Fox News get called out so much for lying or presenting false information? What news outlet do you use that never gives out false information or have some sort of bias. No matter what answer you give me, you are wrong, because there is no such thing. And if I'm not mistaken, Fox News actually is known for having the least inaccuracies in their news posting, but that's not the point. I'm not a fan of Fox News, nor am I a Bush lover before you start flaming, but it just pisses me off the apparent bad rap Fox News supposedly has if you talk to anyone who is left of center. Liberals think Fox is evil, conservatives think CNN is evil, so who is right? I just think you should have said "the media" in place of "Fox News" that's all. That would be like me saying that all Democrats are corrupt and lie, so anyone who votes for a dem. must be also. Give me a break. I guess I'm as annoyed at all this liberal vs. conservative, rebuplican vs. democrat, fox news vs. CNN bullshit as you are w/ all this SC vs. TC stuff.

Sorry for the rant and thread jack.

Originally Posted by IMADreamer
This car should come in around 25k ish. Also insurance are going to go up past the already retarded costs of the SS/SC.
This is another thing I hear a lot too that I just don't understand. The insurance of the SS/SC was one of the main factors that influenced my purchase. My insurance on the SS is slightly less than my wife's 2 year-old 4-door wagon (Pontiac Vibe) and she has no tickets or accidents, and I have 2 tix & 1 accident. So the people complaining about the SS/SC insurance rates need to get new quotes or switch providers. Have you checked the insurance on a performance car w/ a V-8 lately? I was quoted nearly double what the SS/SC is when I was looking at an '02 f-body and an '04 GTO. Even a Grand Prix GTP was higher than the Cobalt. So yeah, I guess if you're comparing an SS/SC to maybe an Aveo, then maybe the insurance is high, but it's just not that bad.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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Why does Fox News get called out so much for lying or presenting false information? What news outlet do you use that never gives out false information or have some sort of bias. No matter what answer you give me, you are wrong, because there is no such thing. And if I'm not mistaken, Fox News actually is known for having the least inaccuracies in their news posting, but that's not the point. I'm not a fan of Fox News, nor am I a Bush lover before you start flaming, but it just pisses me off the apparent bad rap Fox News supposedly has if you talk to anyone who is left of center. Liberals think Fox is evil, conservatives think CNN is evil, so who is right? I just think you should have said "the media" in place of "Fox News" that's all. That would be like me saying that all Democrats are corrupt and lie, so anyone who votes for a dem. must be also. Give me a break. I guess I'm as annoyed at all this liberal vs. conservative, rebuplican vs. democrat, fox news vs. CNN bullshit as you are w/ all this SC vs. TC stuff.

Sorry for the rant and thread jack.



This is another thing I hear a lot too that I just don't understand. The insurance of the SS/SC was one of the main factors that influenced my purchase. My insurance on the SS is slightly less than my wife's 2 year-old 4-door wagon (Pontiac Vibe) and she has no tickets or accidents, and I have 2 tix & 1 accident. So the people complaining about the SS/SC insurance rates need to get new quotes or switch providers. Have you checked the insurance on a performance car w/ a V-8 lately? I was quoted nearly double what the SS/SC is when I was looking at an '02 f-body and an '04 GTO. Even a Grand Prix GTP was higher than the Cobalt. So yeah, I guess if you're comparing an SS/SC to maybe an Aveo, then maybe the insurance is high, but it's just not that bad.

Wow, way to blow a joke about Fox News way out of proportion.

For me the insurance on my SS/SC was only 3$ less then what it would have cost me every six months then for a 350z and I think it was 10$ then a GTO. It was more then a WRX, RSX-S, and a new eclipse.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 09:08 AM
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It was nice, cool and crisp out this morning. Hit an open road and rowed through a couple gears. I love the sound of the SC, and a pull on a morning like today was unreal. Everyone I take for a rip loves the sc as well, turbos are everywhere but people turn to look when they hear that whine :P
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperchargedSS
It was nice, cool and crisp out this morning. Hit an open road and rowed through a couple gears. I love the sound of the SC, and a pull on a morning like today was unreal. Everyone I take for a rip loves the sc as well, turbos are everywhere but people turn to look when they hear that whine :P
nice ..... agreed 100X
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SwingBig14
55 more looks good on paper, yes, but it's been shown that the LSJ's published power was below what the actual WHEEL HP was, and that the LNF's 260 is actually 260 at the crank (this has been shown on the solstice/sky LNF's), so it will be less than 260 at the wheels. We will see how much loss there is for a FWD application when it comes out.

If only the brochure was really what determined how fast a car was, life would be much more simple.
That doesnt really matter. Its still the same displacement motor but with no parasitic loss from the supercharger. Turbos are all free power so it will be faster than the ss/sc.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnySasakiMGS
That doesnt really matter. Its still the same displacement motor but with no parasitic loss from the supercharger. Turbos are all free power so it will be faster than the ss/sc.
Your logic is flawed. What you said is correct but you can't just use the blanket statement that since displacements are the same and one has less parasitic loss that it's automatically a faster car.

There is much more to consider then that: traction, tune, weight, among many others are also a factor.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by N8s07SS
Why does Fox News get called out so much for lying or presenting false information?
Fox News DOES NOT always get called out for presenting false information.

They are (in fact) quite obviously the best reporting news agency in the world.

What's so scary is how the mind-numbed followers of the "drive by media" (CNN, etc.) are so clueless as to how they have been brainwashed. That's what's really scary ...

What news outlet do you use that never gives out false information or have some sort of bias. No matter what answer you give me, you are wrong, because there is no such thing.
If someone means that nobody's perfect, that's correct. But if a person believes that FOX News has an agenda as does the Left Wing Liberal nut case news agencies, then they would be so far off the mark - I wouldn't even know know where to begin to start correcting them.

And if I'm not mistaken, Fox News actually is known for having the least inaccuracies in their news posting
The reverse is actually the truth. People need to watch Fox News to get the complete story on what is going on in this world.

Liberals think Fox is evil, conservatives think CNN is evil, so who is right?
It is not a question of evil, it's a question of who is reporting the truth.

Fox News Quote: "WE report, YOU decide"

Amen.

That would be like me saying that all Democrats are corrupt and lie,
They don't?

... so anyone who votes for a dem. must be also.
They're not?

I guess I'm as annoyed at all this liberal vs. conservative, rebuplican vs. democrat, fox news vs. CNN bull****
I'm equally annoyed at the deadly Liberal mindset that has overtaken the comatose people of this country (and of our world).

I mean, what else can you say about people who endorse infanticide?

Approximate number of babies killed by surgical abortion in the USA since January 22, 1973:
48,362,769
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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LOL I mean seriously LOL

Go sign up at the Fox News forums nut job. This is a car site and we don't care about your neo conservitive values here.

Wow one ******* joke about Fox news that the Bill Orielly dick suckers come out of the woodwork.

Don't trust the media. Period! Fox, Cnn don't trust them.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:35 PM
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Wow....

The political **** swinging needs to end.
This was a discussion about cars.

And unless people are fueling their new cobalts with inaccurate news, and using aborted fetuses as a power adder, I dont see how any of this has to do with the new SS.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by IMADreamer
LOL I mean seriously LOL

Go sign up at the Fox News forums nut job. This is a car site and we don't care about your neo conservitive values here.

Wow one ******* joke about Fox news that the Bill Orielly dick suckers come out of the woodwork.

Don't trust the media. Period! Fox, Cnn don't trust them.


you still have me laughing... thou art correct!

Originally Posted by chipsgt
Wow....

The political **** swinging needs to end.
This was a discussion about cars.

And unless people are fueling their new cobalts with inaccurate news, and using aborted fetuses as a power adder, I dont see how any of this has to do with the new SS.

you guys are killing me

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by IMADreamer
These threads get more stupid by the page. Turbo nut huggers, SC nut huggers, and useless made up facts. 70% of SC owners are hating on the turbo. Did you get that garbage from Fox News? It sounds like something they would say. and by that I mean totally made up and BS.

I really don't hear any "hate" on the TC. I hear a lot of people saying that it's not going to be a big improvement over the SC and that's fact. I think alot of people think it's going to be a magical low 13 second car but it's not. It's still FWD so it won't hook for **** just like the SC. I expect a quatermile time around 14.0. The good drivers will hit high 13s and with traction mods you are looking at 13.7 or 13.8. That's not much more then a stock SC with traction mods. I know, I've run 13.9 with mounts and the airbox mod.

None of that really matters though. The whole point of alot of the bitching is that this is way out of hand. The car is a half a year away and people act like it's in their driveway. We no nothing of the cars peformance except for speculation and already the douchebaggary here is at an all time high and honestly that's no small feat. I'm not sure what is worse the haters or the nut huggers.

Until someone gets one of these and puts up some numbers I think everyone should shut the **** up.
LMAO! That's funny **** right there! Especially the fox news **** I love it! Anyways I agree. Everyone should shut the **** up and wait for this car to come out before they love or hate it. Matter of fact lets not post at all about it and shut down all forums since it makes some people mad.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by IMADreamer
LOL I mean seriously LOL

Go sign up at the Fox News forums nut job. This is a car site and we don't care about your neo conservitive values here.

Wow one ******* joke about Fox news that the Bill Orielly dick suckers come out of the woodwork.

Don't trust the media. Period! Fox, Cnn don't trust them.
Oh, come on. If someone had made a wise crack about Colbert or Stewart being lying liberal jackasses, there would have been just as many if not more backlash from all the young people who think that those guys are god's gift to news media. Honestly, I don't care, I guess your post was just annoying already, and the Fox news comment just made it worse. I don't really like O'reilly by the way either. Firemanfrank is the extreme, but I wouldn't say he's any different than many of my friends that frequent the Daily Coast or think 9/11 was a conspiracy.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by N8s07SS
Oh, come on. If someone had made a wise crack about Colbert or Stewart being lying liberal jackasses, there would have been just as many if not more backlash from all the young people who think that those guys are god's gift to news media. Honestly, I don't care, I guess your post was just annoying already, and the Fox news comment just made it worse. I don't really like O'reilly by the way either. Firemanfrank is the extreme, but I wouldn't say he's any different than many of my friends that frequent the Daily Coast or think 9/11 was a conspiracy.
Do you think people actually take Colbert and Stewart seriously? I see them as comedy relief for the political scene. That's it. I know a lot of people who like them but don't take it seriously.

Ok that's enough boring ass politics, I was at a confernce the last to days about this crap. The only thing worse then talking to extreme lefties or righties is talking to a bunch of poly sci majors about politics. So I've had my share of this crap for the week.

Ok back to cars. Go Cobalt! Yeah!!!! lol
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