agreed

 

lol you need to get out more (or less maybe), this forum isnt nearly as bad as some i have seen. but yeah, there seems to be alot of different opinions about something thats basicly a good thing.

 

lol, people will never be happy.

I saw in an article that the new Turbo Cobalt goes 0 to 60 in 5.4 seconds I believe it is. I'll have to double check it to be positive but that right there tells you they did some traction upgrades to the car cause I don't think a SS/SC will do 0 to 60 in that time without any traction mods.

I just think it will be interesting to see these two cars face eachother and better yet face the new Caliber SRT-4. Maybe we could even eat alive some of the old Neon SRT-4's.

 

Actually this is a nice civil discussion compared to most of the other threads . It's a shame that alot of people in those other threads have turned a good thing, (SS/TC) into a pissing contest. I for one am have a "wait and see what happens" kinda outlook , i won't be upset if it run's 13.8-9 out of the box .... BUT I won't be putting myself way upside down to trade for one either .

 

From what I have seen this lnf engine has great linear power. Max torque at like 2K rpm's is awesome. For all the people who speak about turbo lag...things have changed greatly. Light weight turbo impellers have these things spool up seriously quick. I think lag will be a non-issue.

All bitching aside about the engine, think about the company that this car is capable of being in when it comes to a hot lap. It's in Porsche territory here people. Faster than a WRX. That's impressive no matter how you look at it. Especially for a car that is going to cost somewhere around $30 000 (Canadian...still getting raped but that's another rant).

I don't see how anyone who likes fast, nimble cars can be disappointed with this car. It's faster (on paper), should stop better (Brembo's) and handles better (no doubt).

What's the problem here? To each their own I guess.

 

Honestly it's not even possible at this point. The hype is so rediculous here that if this car had supercar performance it still wouldn't meet the hype.

You all are going to **** when the price tag for this car is 25k too. Then we can talk about over hype.

 

I think that in time there will be larger injectors available, it just gonna take time for things to be developed. Its all to new right now.

 

I'm glad you qualified your previous statement w/ this, cause I was going to ask why in the hell you are using boost in revers anyway?!?! Find yourself running from the law, do ya?

 

Exactly. The only ones I see bashing the SS/TC are the SS/SC guys. When stage 2 came out it was the best thing since sliced bread to some. Now we have an SS coming out of the box with more HP than a Stage 2 and people are smashing it. I personally can wait to see these on the road and think 260 is awesome numbers for this car.

 

You're thinking in the wrong sense

It's not that it doesn't have potential. Speaking of potential, that's a worthless word in the car community cause ANYTHING has potential if you have money behind it. Anyways...

He's stating that it will not be easy to upgrade as it seems unless GM does produce such kits like the they did the SS/SC. Fuel pressure and Fuel injectors are totally different than a MPFI vehicle. The computer has over 600 fuel parameters within itself. It's just not going to be as easy as (for example) modifying a SRT-4 where you can use just about any Bosch Fuel Injector and some piggyback and be on your merry way.

 

Hell no it's not.

 

im only going to say this one more time

LSJ = 205 WHEEL horsepower, LNF 260 CRANK horsepower... its really not going to be that much faster straight off the lot

 

i cant wait til these TC cobalts come out...then us SC cobalt can whoop some ass with a pully change and lil mods

 

Hmm My car came with the FE5 Suspension they are talking about, what changed?

 

Spring rates and shock valving were tweaked .

 

sweet GM w/ Brembos, i already have more power than the LNF, but new parts, are new parts

 

You conveniently fail to mention the torque number however.

 

same issue... the GXP guys are NOT dynoing 260WTQ stock, LSJ guys ARE dynoing 205WTQ stock

 

I didn't say they were making 260, but they are dynoing a lot more than 205 stock, that's the point I was trying to make (and 205 is pretty high don't you think--isn't 195-200 more average if you want to get nitpicky about it?)

I'm not trying to say the SS/TC is going to be bounds above the SS/SC, but that 30-40 extra ft-lbs. of torque staying constant from 2K RPMs on is going to be at least as good as a Stage II SS/SC, if not better. That's all.

 

the biggest reason i'd prefer a turbo over a sc is heat sink, i wanna goto track days and time trials and the sc would start to loose power due to excess heat sink where the turbo won't.

 

It's for when your trying to get the crew cab 1 ton truck pulling a 20 ft trailer, with 26 ft of pipe on it, through the city, up and down a mountain, and through your local Tim Hortons parking lot. Then getting to the work site and back in park everywhere (company and general field of work policy, makes for a quick escape, need be).
And i like to parallel park too. It keeps you sharp.
Like i said, different applications. I like precision.

Edit: The new twin turbo Ford trucks, suck (they have got to fix their PCM). But most of you knew that anyway right!?

 

Take that, tuners
Carmakers pull out some production tricks at aftermarket show

By Rick Popely | Tribune staff reporter
November 4, 2007

What happens in Las Vegas could be coming soon to a car dealer near you.

The 2009 Toyota Corolla sedan and Matrix hatchback, which go on sale in February, made their U.S. debuts Wednesday at the Specialty Equipment Market Association show in Las Vegas, the annual big fling of aftermarket suppliers. The two Toyotas were among a smattering of production models and nearly-ready teasers that shared the limelight at the annual show with dozens of "tuners" and the latest toys and accessories for everything on wheels.

Toyota chose the SEMA show for the introductions of the Corolla and Matrix because they are aimed at younger buyers, the most likely to customize their vehicles.

The 10th-generation Corolla features new styling marked by sharper creases at the front but similar dimensions to the old version. Wheelbase is unchanged at 102.4 inches, and overall length is up by half an inch to 178.7.

Standard, LE, S and XLE models use a 1.8-liter 4-cylinder with 132 horsepower (5 more than before), and the sporty XRS packs the 2.4-liter Camry 4, rated at 158 h.p.

The Matrix shares the Corolla platform and engines but has four-door hatchback styling that Toyota says gives it a coupe-like appearance.

Chevrolet unveiled the 2008 Colbalt SS, which has a turbocharged 2-liter engine that achieves 260 h.p. It replaces a 205-h.p. supercharged version used for 2007. The Cobalt SS coupe is due in the second quarter of 2008, with the sedan following in summer.

Styling features include an integrated front-air dam and projector-beam fog lamps. The standard rear spoiler can be replaced by an optional wing.

Chevy also gave a peek at the 2009 HHR Panel SS, which uses the same turbocharged engine as the Cobalt SS and gets SS treatment for the interior and exterior.

Many concept vehicles pique interest at auto shows but never make it to production. Not so with the Ford Sport Trac Adrenalin, which debuted at the 2005 New York Auto Show and will go on sale in January with concept-inspired styling. The production version also will ride on the concept's 10-spoke wheels.

All body panels below the windows are unique to the Adrenalin and include its own front and rear fascias and integrated running boards to make Sport Trac look lower.

Honda redesigned the Accord for 2008 and revealed a new palate of Honda Factory Performance accessories for the coupe. The parts include sport suspension upgrades, aerodynamic body kits and interior amenities. The best part? They are covered by factory warranties if installed at the time of the vehicle purchase.

Hyundai will unveil the Elantra Touring hatchback at the Chicago Auto Show in February but gave an early look with the Beach Cruiser concept at SEMA. Done by K-Daddyz Kustomz, the Beach Cruiser is dressed up with ground-effects, a panoramic sunroof and purple and orange paint.

Nissan gave journalists broad hint of a replacement for the Quest minivan with the Forum concept, a family vehicle that has sliding side doors but muscular styling like that on a sport-utility vehicle. Nissan released a sketch but no photos of the Forum, which will make its public debut at the Detroit Auto Show in January.

 

I was under the impression that the LSJ came with 215-220 WHP.

Anyway, the LNF will be a good engine. I just see problems in the tuning area. How much PSI is it putting the gas in at? 200 or something, thats a lot. This is an AWESOME engine, I just prefer my SC whine over the turbo whine, but will be cool to have turbo and supercharged versions of an awesome car.

One thing that gets me about the torque is this...what about low torque honda's? They have no torque what so ever, but they rev high, and are STILL quick.....this SS/TC revs lower than the SS/SC, and there will be torque limiting, you know that. I'm not saying the SS/TC will be slow, but I don;t think it iwll be that much faster than the SC.

 

To further what you're getting at, I've researched on the Saturn Sky Redline forums and they dyno stock around ~230whp or so. While their torque curve is very impressive, and better than us S/C guys, they will definitely not live up to the hype. My S2/I/E cobalt dynoed 228whp/204tq which is not far off from the stock LNF. They will be faster but not as much as they are made out to be I think. I'll try to post a link to the Sky RL dyno graph later, gotta head to class.

 

When I raced the Solstice GXP, the guy had full exhaust done to the car. I had GM Stage 2 and a Stage 3 pulley. In the low rpm's he would pull me. Between 5000 and 7000 rpm I would catch right back up to him. It was a pretty dead even match. I'm curious to see what the SS/TC brings to the table but I don't think it will be the end all some people are wanting to believe.