OH yeah. I remember.

 

In designing terms scrapping means to make the plans trash, get rid of...

I'm not going to read into this for very long because I know GM wont scrap the car. If anything toyota sould pull their heads out of their ass and do something with the corolla. The damn car is like 40 years old, they sould at least stop using the name....

 

^^^word

 

Neat little piece of info for ya....


In the 23 years of the Cavalier, The chassis itself and its BASIC components, Never changed once. The Corolla however, Changed 5 times in that timespan.

 

^ There was actualy 1 revison of the j-body in 1995. The rear suspension was changed to move the coil springs to the top of the struts and the front sub frame was reworked to acomadate the new suspension cradle and the new motor and trans mounts.

There where also other revisions to the chase don at the same time.

But it was still a j-body. Just tweaked a bit.

And the Corolla only had 1 actual chase change in that time.
The others where revisions lick what the cavalier had done to it in 95.

Later.

 

theyve already scrapped the 4dr SS models.

my car is now a rare breed. /cheer

 

Doesn’t bother me any... hell less people driving our cars makes them a rare commodity... I like it, I see a supra ending to these cars... rare, hard to find, and kick ass... I guess that would be a happy ending to the SS models.

 

The Cavalier made several changes to its chassis over the years it was produced. Just cause the basic layout remains doesn't mean things weren't changed. Brakes, springs struts, shocks, intire front and rear suspensions.

Anyway if they do close Lordstown the Cobalt would continue to be built but they'd probly build it in Mexico like they did with the Cavi. GM can't kill they're biggest money maker short of the Silvarado.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about... GM is a struggling company. I know, there a company that we make parts for. Toyota is kick GM ass, so is Honda... and really all of the import companies. The reason GM really sucks is because they are not efficient; they don’t do what is called "Lean" manufacturing. SO really everyday Toyota and Honda are scoring another one up on the board because they can produce cars, trucks vans...ect at a low cost. And here’s a good example of how bad GM is doing. One of their best plants in Fort Wayne has been looked at by Toyota, another words if things keep going bad, they might close down. So GM needs to do something right... not Toyota. And I’m not supporting the import companies at all, because I really don’t like them. I’m just saying that every time you go out driving look around, I bet the ratio of GM made products to import products is really bad. I just wish people would start buying more GM products, hell ford products I don’t care… we just need to put a dent into Honda, and Toyota. but anyways sorry about the rant...

 

They are not scrapping the Cobalt. Production will just be moved to Mexico in 2009. So Lordstown needs to find a new product to produce when the 'balt is moved to Mexico. That is what the article is referring to.

 

the news paper in Cleveland Ohio

 

they are going to mexico because the labor is cheaper there.

 

Exactly!

 

yay! less jobs in America...

 

....and a portion of the Astra's are already built there . Its not a set in stone thing , Its contract time , I think GM is fishing for incentives from the local government to keep the Delta's in Ohio .

 

Dude, that's bullshit. I live near Cleveland too, and the paper makes **** up. I talked to a Sales Rep at my local Serpentini Chevy, and he said that's the biggest lie he had ever heard, because the Cobalt is Chevy's best selling vehicle right now and they aren't getting rid of it anytime soon. He also said if you want proof, look at how many years the Cavalier ran.

 

One of the biggest reason for this 'lean' manufacturing is because Toyota, Honda, et al don't have to pay the kinds of wages that Ford and GM do. They are not bound by Union contracts. They don't ahve to pay what the union demands. The 'import' automakers are all profit due to less overhead. As a union member (United Steelworker) i see this happening all over the place.

I work in a paper mill as a lab technician and right now, I see the union wanting more and more money. The company isn't going to go for that and will probably close the plant and relocate either overseas or to the southern US because of either no union pressures, or a very negative union attitude. The UAW right now is cutting its own throat by demanding more and more of the automakers instead of working with them. GM has a great strategy in place and is starting to really turn their game around, but without the union helping them out, no one will win and the 'imports' (overgeneralization since most of them are built here) are going to win out.

(this is an on-the-fly post and not as in depth as a business seminar, but i think you see where i'm coming from)
<edit> referring to the post a couple back about assembling cars in Mexico- look at how much trouble Ford had with building cars [Escort, Tracer, Focus] in Mexico... their build quality was awful. In fact, a run of Cavaliers were built in Ramos Arizepes and they have the reputation as being the WORST Cavalier run ever assembled!!! It was so bad, that I got to looking for the built location code in the VIN # when shopping for another Cavalier. The second worst built, for some weird reason, were the J-bodies that were assembled in Wisconsin. Not sure how that worked...

Scott

 

Everything that you have said here is very true and well put... another reason they are not "lean" is because they are kind of sloppy with how they actually produce the vehicles themselves. Toyota actually has a machine that with a touch of a button can turn the car upside down, or at any angle while its being produced on the line... and there storage racks for there cars a vertical, instead of a parking garage meaning they need less land and they can store a lot more also. Here are some pics of a garage unit something like Toyota and Honda use. But the ones they have are more cylinder like.

http://www.fujitec.co.jp/english/pro...images/c9b.jpg

 

there goes our aftermarket... after i pay this car off or someone totals it, i think i might get a volvo c30 when it comes out, even though i hate the taillights..and its not too fast...i'd be unique lol! 3 door hatchback 6 speed turbo 5cyl. who knows maybe even a civic si

 

We'd best get on our bony collective knees and pray to the Deity of our choice that this body style runs unchanged for at least another five years. (OK, maybe some minor fascia changes) I've been selfishly enjoying the fact that Cobalts are thin on the ground around here but the down side to this is things like $500 windshields. Mine got hammered no less than 3 days after I got it. If there were more Cobalts sold, you can bet the price for replacement parts would not be as high.

Bob