Cobalt SS 2.4 vs. 2.0 SC
06-16-2007, 12:58 PM
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1.)DWK5150,12.84@110.53 w/2.04 60',I/PB/DP/E/2.5"/HE/T/DR's
thats the best ss/sc in the official 1/4 list.. I'm pretty sure that car is worth well more then 22K
the 2.4L 240whp turbo'd balt ran a 13.7 1/4 with a 100mph trap.. on 8 or so psi.. the kits 4K with tuning and turbo back exhaust crank up the boost a bit to like 10-11psi and put on DR and the 2.4 could be running 12s
thats the best ss/sc in the official 1/4 list.. I'm pretty sure that car is worth well more then 22K
the 2.4L 240whp turbo'd balt ran a 13.7 1/4 with a 100mph trap.. on 8 or so psi.. the kits 4K with tuning and turbo back exhaust crank up the boost a bit to like 10-11psi and put on DR and the 2.4 could be running 12s
06-16-2007, 12:59 PM
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And I am not bashing any car from this site... I went from an 05 2.2 and then bought an 06 SS/SC!
And to you 2.4 guys the power plant does have lots of potential, but so does the 2.0!!! If you are only making 240 hp with a turbo I wouldn't go braggin' and talking kill stories when we make that with just Stage 2 kits! Yes, there are those SS/SC guys on here that think they are king dingaling's with them! Some of us however aren't that way! I'm glad the market is picking up for the 2.4 VVT-i motor but untill you guys are pushing the 300 hp neighborhood, don't try the "Reverse Smack Talk!"
Kthxbi
And to you 2.4 guys the power plant does have lots of potential, but so does the 2.0!!! If you are only making 240 hp with a turbo I wouldn't go braggin' and talking kill stories when we make that with just Stage 2 kits! Yes, there are those SS/SC guys on here that think they are king dingaling's with them! Some of us however aren't that way! I'm glad the market is picking up for the 2.4 VVT-i motor but untill you guys are pushing the 300 hp neighborhood, don't try the "Reverse Smack Talk!"
Kthxbi
06-16-2007, 01:01 PM
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thanks jackalope, i'm tired of all this 2.4 / 2.0 controversy... the 2.0s look down on us. and the 2.4s have mega high hopes (usually for good reason)
why can't we all agree just to beat up on other cars...
( honestly though, making a 10 or 11s 2.4 should be worlds easier then making a 10-11s ss/sc and require alot more money... there's no way you're using the m62 to take you there)
why can't we all agree just to beat up on other cars...
( honestly though, making a 10 or 11s 2.4 should be worlds easier then making a 10-11s ss/sc and require alot more money... there's no way you're using the m62 to take you there)
06-16-2007, 01:08 PM
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thanks jackalope, i'm tired of all this 2.4 / 2.0 controversy... the 2.0s look down on us. and the 2.4s have mega high hopes (usually for good reason)
why can't we all agree just to beat up on other cars...
( honestly though, making a 10 or 11s 2.4 should be worlds easier then making a 10-11s ss/sc and require alot more money... there's no way you're using the m62 to take you there)
why can't we all agree just to beat up on other cars...
( honestly though, making a 10 or 11s 2.4 should be worlds easier then making a 10-11s ss/sc and require alot more money... there's no way you're using the m62 to take you there)
06-16-2007, 01:08 PM
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And I am not bashing any car from this site... I went from an 05 2.2 and then bought an 06 SS/SC!
And to you 2.4 guys the power plant does have lots of potential, but so does the 2.0!!! If you are only making 240 hp with a turbo I wouldn't go braggin' and talking kill stories when we make that with just Stage 2 kits! Yes, there are those SS/SC guys on here that think they are king dingaling's with them! Some of us however aren't that way! I'm glad the market is picking up for the 2.4 VVT-i motor but untill you guys are pushing the 300 hp neighborhood, don't try the "Reverse Smack Talk!"
Kthxbi
And to you 2.4 guys the power plant does have lots of potential, but so does the 2.0!!! If you are only making 240 hp with a turbo I wouldn't go braggin' and talking kill stories when we make that with just Stage 2 kits! Yes, there are those SS/SC guys on here that think they are king dingaling's with them! Some of us however aren't that way! I'm glad the market is picking up for the 2.4 VVT-i motor but untill you guys are pushing the 300 hp neighborhood, don't try the "Reverse Smack Talk!"
Kthxbi
Look I'm NOT flaming the 2.0 they're great little engines but you know the old saying.."Theres no replacement for displacement" Its true. If we push the same levels of boost on our 2.4's we'll make more hp then the 2.0 would.
Now thats with a $4000+ mod so you got us there.
06-16-2007, 01:10 PM
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But your only making 220 or so with 10 to 12 lbs or boost from the blower sooooo.....
Look I'm NOT flaming the 2.0 they're great little engines but you know the old saying..
"Theres no replacement for displacement" Its true. If we push the same levels of boost on our 2.4's we'll make more hp then the 2.0 would.
Now thats with a $4000+ mod so you got us there.
Look I'm NOT flaming the 2.0 they're great little engines but you know the old saying.."Theres no replacement for displacement" Its true. If we push the same levels of boost on our 2.4's we'll make more hp then the 2.0 would.
Now thats with a $4000+ mod so you got us there.
I am actually Stg 2, 2.85" pulley, K&N Intake, Custom HP Tune, GMPP Ported header, Ingalls ETD!
But I am running like 18.5 lbs of BOOOST....
06-16-2007, 01:11 PM
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And I am not bashing any car from this site... I went from an 05 2.2 and then bought an 06 SS/SC!
And to you 2.4 guys the power plant does have lots of potential, but so does the 2.0!!! If you are only making 240 hp with a turbo I wouldn't go braggin' and talking kill stories when we make that with just Stage 2 kits! Yes, there are those SS/SC guys on here that think they are king dingaling's with them! Some of us however aren't that way! I'm glad the market is picking up for the 2.4 VVT-i motor but untill you guys are pushing the 300 hp neighborhood, don't try the "Reverse Smack Talk!"
Kthxbi
And to you 2.4 guys the power plant does have lots of potential, but so does the 2.0!!! If you are only making 240 hp with a turbo I wouldn't go braggin' and talking kill stories when we make that with just Stage 2 kits! Yes, there are those SS/SC guys on here that think they are king dingaling's with them! Some of us however aren't that way! I'm glad the market is picking up for the 2.4 VVT-i motor but untill you guys are pushing the 300 hp neighborhood, don't try the "Reverse Smack Talk!"
Kthxbi
the turbo kit makes 240HP and 240ft/lbs ... more torque then the ss/sc and it runs a better 1/4... just goes to show that torque wins.. but thats a whole other battle... you fail to see that many people that buy the hahn turbo will be pushing about 300HP right off the bat... considering they have other mods. and probably wont leave it at the stock 8 psi for long.. at 12psi 300whp should be no problem...
how many ss/scs are running 300whp? how much did they spend to get there? + the price of there car... the ss/sc is an awesome car don't get me wrong.. actually i feel that the m62 is the huge downfall of the ss/sc if it was turbo'd or twinscrewed or hell any other type of blower the ss/sc would be a much better car than it is... thats stupid gm for you... take a 2.0L turbo'd ecotec that runs great... add direct injection and do a supercharger swap... that was a good idea
06-16-2007, 01:13 PM
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And your looking at more than that... I don't know how much boost the pistons and rods can handle in the 2.4 but I am sure it won't be too happy with you running 15+ psi!
06-16-2007, 01:13 PM
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Honduhs? Why bother with such an easy kill? I mean if the kids pissing you off sure you can shut him down but wht waste your gas? No no, when I get boosted I'm going after Mustangs! I HATE them! Chevy VS Ford! **** the imports! Damn GM got rid of the "F" bodies and its up to US to take up the slack and shut down the Mustang owners!
That said....LETS GET EM!!
That said....LETS GET EM!!
06-16-2007, 01:16 PM
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that turbo kit makes 240HP on half the psi you do with stage 2 and show me a ss/sc with just stage 2 that runs a 13.7 1/4....
the turbo kit makes 240HP and 240ft/lbs ... more torque then the ss/sc and it runs a better 1/4... just goes to show that torque wins.. but thats a whole other battle... you fail to see that many people that buy the hahn turbo will be pushing about 300HP right off the bat... considering they have other mods. and probably wont leave it at the stock 8 psi for long.. at 12psi 300whp should be no problem...
how many ss/scs are running 300whp? how much did they spend to get there? + the price of there car... the ss/sc is an awesome car don't get me wrong.. actually i feel that the m62 is the huge downfall of the ss/sc if it was turbo'd or twinscrewed or hell any other type of blower the ss/sc would be a much better car than it is... thats stupid gm for you... take a 2.0L turbo'd ecotec that runs great... add direct injection and do a supercharger swap... that was a good idea
the turbo kit makes 240HP and 240ft/lbs ... more torque then the ss/sc and it runs a better 1/4... just goes to show that torque wins.. but thats a whole other battle... you fail to see that many people that buy the hahn turbo will be pushing about 300HP right off the bat... considering they have other mods. and probably wont leave it at the stock 8 psi for long.. at 12psi 300whp should be no problem...
how many ss/scs are running 300whp? how much did they spend to get there? + the price of there car... the ss/sc is an awesome car don't get me wrong.. actually i feel that the m62 is the huge downfall of the ss/sc if it was turbo'd or twinscrewed or hell any other type of blower the ss/sc would be a much better car than it is... thats stupid gm for you... take a 2.0L turbo'd ecotec that runs great... add direct injection and do a supercharger swap... that was a good idea
Honduhs? Why bother with such an easy kill? I mean if the kids pissing you off sure you can shut him down but wht waste your gas? No no, when I get boosted I'm going after Mustangs! I HATE them! Chevy VS Ford! **** the imports! Damn GM got rid of the "F" bodies and its up to US to take up the slack and shut down the Mustang owners!
That said....LETS GET EM!!
That said....LETS GET EM!!
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06-16-2007, 01:18 PM
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Guys Guys Guys! lets play nice here! I own a 2.4 and I'm starting to see a little ass hatery from some fellow owners, not cool guys ease up! Not every 2.0 owner is a ***** so don't treat them all as if they were.
I've already said I WILL NOT race a 2.0 car when I'm turboed cause of this reason alone. I'll post my 1/4 mile times and you can compair till the cows come home but I'm not gonna line up with one out of respect for them.
06-16-2007, 01:20 PM
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ummm now correct me if i'm wrong but if you take out the stage 2 pulley and run a 2.8 and do a custom tune... then you're not running stage 2 anymore.
and sorry for the news flash m-dub... but how much can your pistons and rods handle? because the 2.4 can handle that much... and obviously more based off of hahn's 400whp solstice... the 2.0 and 2.4 have almost identical internals the 2.4s are just bigger.. not only that but 2.4s wont need to run nearly as much boost as a 2.0 to get the same numbers
haha i definitely respect the 2.0s however i'll line up next to one when i get my car procharged.. just to see how i do throughout the entire powerband against one..
and sorry for the news flash m-dub... but how much can your pistons and rods handle? because the 2.4 can handle that much... and obviously more based off of hahn's 400whp solstice... the 2.0 and 2.4 have almost identical internals the 2.4s are just bigger.. not only that but 2.4s wont need to run nearly as much boost as a 2.0 to get the same numbers
haha i definitely respect the 2.0s however i'll line up next to one when i get my car procharged.. just to see how i do throughout the entire powerband against one..
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06-16-2007, 01:21 PM
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Guys, this horse has been beaten to death, zombified, killed again, zombified again, killed again, AND ZOMBIFIED AGAIN! Lets stop this already. Everyone should just be happy with the car choice they have. Each trim has their certain pros and cons!
2.0L(SC) =
Pros: Top of the line, the tuner car, best suspension, best brakes, stock FI, etc.
Cons = Can only go so far with the Eaton M62, and piston #4 (), and not the strongest internals.
2.2L =
Pros: Most race inspired engine, fastest cobalts are 2.2L's currently, more displacement.
Cons: It starts of slow as its the bottom trim level and a economy car.
2.4L =
Pros: Most potential (most displacement), Growing aftermarket (ONLY BEEN OUT FOR TWO YEARS!!!!!!!), strong internals, fast for an NA car (can beat the Si's if I'm not mistaken), already seen 400HP from them (Solstice),
Cons: No as fast as a stock ss/sc, and current applications for the cobalt only get up to stage 2 status
I may have missed some here and there and I could be wrong about some of the things I said, but still. Everyone stop ragging on each other, we're all cobalts/pursuits(G5), we should be going out and getting those civics and neons and tiburons, etc. Each has their pros and cons. Lets band together, not grow apart.
Love!!
2.0L(SC) =
Pros: Top of the line, the tuner car, best suspension, best brakes, stock FI, etc.
Cons = Can only go so far with the Eaton M62, and piston #4 (), and not the strongest internals.
2.2L =
Pros: Most race inspired engine, fastest cobalts are 2.2L's currently, more displacement.
Cons: It starts of slow as its the bottom trim level and a economy car.
2.4L =
Pros: Most potential (most displacement), Growing aftermarket (ONLY BEEN OUT FOR TWO YEARS!!!!!!!), strong internals, fast for an NA car (can beat the Si's if I'm not mistaken), already seen 400HP from them (Solstice),
Cons: No as fast as a stock ss/sc, and current applications for the cobalt only get up to stage 2 status
I may have missed some here and there and I could be wrong about some of the things I said, but still. Everyone stop ragging on each other, we're all cobalts/pursuits(G5), we should be going out and getting those civics and neons and tiburons, etc. Each has their pros and cons. Lets band together, not grow apart.
Love!!
06-16-2007, 01:27 PM
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06-16-2007, 03:40 PM
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lol you cant say a car can "handle" a certain amount....when all we have seen is 1 track day and a dyno......
if its still pullin hard at 400+hp 12 months from now....with 15k miles put on it....then it can "handle" it.
and please stop saying things like
its very frustrating to the vast MAJORITY of 2.0 owners, who like your 2.4 almost as much as their own car
if its still pullin hard at 400+hp 12 months from now....with 15k miles put on it....then it can "handle" it.
and please stop saying things like
the 2.0s look down on us.
06-16-2007, 05:16 PM
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Yeah lets all band together like a pack of wild cougars and ride through town, eating every car in our sight.
mustangs are annoying for a quad of reasons
#1. IT seems like everyone and their mother have a mustang. right? don't you see a **** load out on the road. On a normal day there's at least 10 in my sight.
#2. Theyre cockyness, their commercial starts off with "since we dont have any competition..."
#3 theyre not as fast as everyone thinks
#4 Throughtout the years they all retain the almost exact same look
blah so instead of bashing on each level of cobalt, let's all be cobalt enthusiasts, whether LS or SS
The four door is not to my liking though lol, the fronts nice, but the back is BLAH
mustangs are annoying for a quad of reasons
#1. IT seems like everyone and their mother have a mustang. right? don't you see a **** load out on the road. On a normal day there's at least 10 in my sight.
#2. Theyre cockyness, their commercial starts off with "since we dont have any competition..."
#3 theyre not as fast as everyone thinks
#4 Throughtout the years they all retain the almost exact same look
blah so instead of bashing on each level of cobalt, let's all be cobalt enthusiasts, whether LS or SS
The four door is not to my liking though lol, the fronts nice, but the back is BLAH
06-17-2007, 03:58 PM
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Yeah lets all band together like a pack of wild cougars and ride through town, eating every car in our sight.
mustangs are annoying for a quad of reasons
#1. IT seems like everyone and their mother have a mustang. right? don't you see a **** load out on the road. On a normal day there's at least 10 in my sight.
#2. Theyre cockyness, their commercial starts off with "since we dont have any competition..."
#3 theyre not as fast as everyone thinks
#4 Throughtout the years they all retain the almost exact same look
blah so instead of bashing on each level of cobalt, let's all be cobalt enthusiasts, whether LS or SS
The four door is not to my liking though lol, the fronts nice, but the back is BLAH
mustangs are annoying for a quad of reasons
#1. IT seems like everyone and their mother have a mustang. right? don't you see a **** load out on the road. On a normal day there's at least 10 in my sight.
#2. Theyre cockyness, their commercial starts off with "since we dont have any competition..."
#3 theyre not as fast as everyone thinks
#4 Throughtout the years they all retain the almost exact same look
blah so instead of bashing on each level of cobalt, let's all be cobalt enthusiasts, whether LS or SS
The four door is not to my liking though lol, the fronts nice, but the back is BLAH
Hey all what's up. Just joined here. I don't have a SS but I work in IT and am a fan of the domestic turbo/SC 4 Cyl. scene, I always thumbs up a SS/SRT, and I've seen a few run off against some imports and do pretty well.
But ehhh SREDS, way to categorize an entire enthusiast group, which, has been ongoing since 1964 1/2.
Do you realize, how many people have left and joined the mustang scene since that time? Of course there's going to be ********, posers, hardcore fans, and casuals.
Hell, I had a 99 GT Convertable, with some bolt-ons and gears pushed her to consistent 13.7's @ 101.
My car now runs as shown.. 12.4@114 on crappy Daytona street tires...
It just sucks to see guys like you rollin boards, and in real life going around with those kinds of assumptions about every guy you see rollin' a mustang...
Anyway, the reason I posted in this thread was for the guys debating whether to buy a 2.4 or a 2.0 SC.
As an owner of a S/C car, let me tell you, DO IT.
A supercharger is not like permanent nitrous, it's there WHEN you want it.
My daily driver is my cobra, and I get about 22-25 MPG if I'm totally cruising and not abusing.
I'd just say, GET THE POWER ADDER. Anytime you have a choice between a power added car and a N/A, get the PA. Power added cars from the factory are always easier to pump HP into.. and as a guy said on the first page... how often do you hear people complaining about having too much power?
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