Meh, they ain't so bad ...yes I know it ain't a MS3 though..

 

ew its white on a hatchback

 

I really loved the looks of my 4 door SRT-4.

But when I saw the Ms3 in person and compared it to our SS/SC ...

The Ms3 ends up looking "blocky". No comparison between the two.

Just my opinion ...

Yup, they're hp numbers are almost exactly what our cars make.

But the torque ..... that's another story.

 

a co-worker of mine just got one... though i can't say i'm in love with the overall appearance of the car, everything is put together flawlessly. xenon hid's stock, everything fits tight, looks like an expensive car. i like the exterior look of the cobalt much better, but it just doesn't look as expensive when you compare interior.

as far as speed, there's a couple things worth noting about the ms3. stupid little mods like intake will net you about 20 whp, yea, WHP, and about the same torque... exhaust is the same... bolt on's will make that car a beast... also, the boost is limited in 1st and 2nd from the factory which makes it much easier to launch... i have a video of my co-worker pulling an srt-4 3 days after he got the car, and was still getting used to it... he's been in the car scene for a LONG time, he's not a ricer fanboi either... he's pretty confidant that he can run it to 13.8 bone stock.


so, moral of the story, for easy power the ms3 is a great choice, as long as you don't mind the hatch look.

 

I finally test drove one last week (a MSP3). I liked the low end torque, but power goes down quickly past 5000 RPMs. It was totally stock however, so I can't compare why my SS.

 

I am that coworker. lol thx for the props kev. I have videos of me racing a 13.2 @ 106 srt4 if anybody wants to see. I took it to the track and went 14.2 @ 101.66 with a 2.3 60 foot time. Later in the night went 14.2 @ 99 missing 5th gear with a 2.15 60 foot time. If you can drive its a 13 second car out of the box. This is 100% bone stock, temps still on the car with under 1k miles on the engine. If you guys think these cars dyno 216whp you are all in for a SERIOUS reality check. The AVERAGE dyno is 240whp. Now i am ready for the multiple bullshit comments so i will link you over to many many many stock and modded dyno charts if needed be. Everybody talks 1/4 mile numbers and the speed3 absolutly sucks at 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. 0-60 requires two shifts and boost is limited int he first 2 gears lol. The 1/4 require a 4-5 shift and once again boost is limited in the first two gears. Its a high 13 low 14 second 1/4 mile and a mid 13 second car from a roll if that makes sense. As far as stock for stock, lets be serious, with equal drivers the ms3 is going to win. Mod for mod, i dont know as im not too informed about the stages chevy puts out and the kind of numbers you guys are putting down to the wheels.

Here is an open friendly challenge to any takers in north jersey. Starting thursday my car will have a cai, a filled rear motor mount and maybe just maybe a synthetic oil change
Do i have any taker for a 40-120 roll? Modded not modded i don't care, id prefer a stage 2 guy to see how the cars do against each other. I did the same exact thing on the srt4 forums and everybody there acted mature which lead to a 12 page DISCUSSION not flamage about the two cars.

 

are you actually complaining that your car has gearing that helps you in the 1/4 mile?
Try using a transmission that doesnt get out of 3rd for the 1320.

 

try shifting 4 times in the 1/4 mile. Long gearing and turbo cars get along much better than short gearing and turbo cars. Perfect gearing for this car would be rsx type s gear.
1st around 38
2nd around 65
3rd around 85
4th around 115
5th around 140
6th around death.

Actually it's not the gearing, its the powerband of the stock car. 4th can be taken too 110mph at redline of 6800rmp. However the ecu limits boost from 15-16psi to 4psi after 6k rmp. Power drops off at 5500rmp to around 10psi. Basically if u shift a stock one anywhere after 5800rmp your just hurting urself

 

Disabling a few things in HP tuners is alot easier than swapping a transmission
get all that management **** taken out and that transmission will be great.
id love to be able to use all of 4th instead of not being able to use it at all.

 

yea, chris (laloosh) already tried to get me to race him before i had the 2.0 but i don't like to street race, being responsible sucks!

he's also the guy that's gonna with my car if anyone read about those problems i'm having with it

 

Dude I remember you from b15sentra.net! wow was that a long time ago eh.

Anyway, congrats on the purchase. Im enjoying my upgrade over the sentra too.

 

lol you are the 2nd person from the sentra world that remembers me. No lie about 20 min ago some fromt he vboard recognized me on the mazda forums. Small world.

For those that don't know i had a specv with a **** load of na mods done to it. Best it did was 14.03 @ 97.45. It was my autox **** though.

true, but its not that easy to just disable a couple of things. Cobb promises an AP system to be realised soon, this promise was made liek 8 months ago and nothing is out yet.

Whats the gearing on the cobalt
1st ends at what mph
2nd at what...ect ect

 

its around here somewhere, i dont remember off the top of my head.
but when i hit the traps i still have RPMs left in 3rd gear and thats trapping at 103

 

i dunno for some reason i think i would prefer to end in 3rd

 

i think if the gearing is done right, the positive effect of having another full gear will outweigh the time to shift.
if you shift quickly

why do you think people like 6 speeds

 

yeah i agree. depends on the power band, where it is, etc....
but i think with a little 4 cylinder, we cant get away with 3 gears as easily as a high torque ls1/ls2 can.
I think we would benefit from another full gear to shorten em up a bit.

 

why a 6 speed? Its more for road racing than drag racing. Like i said before, turbo cars low long gearing. EVerytime a turbo car shifts, unless u power shift you loose boost pressure. 15psi 5500rmp clutch 0psi 4k rmp, now u waste time spooling that turbo again only to shift 2 seconds later. Shifting in the 1/4 mile sucks end of story, esp the 4-5 shift.

Take the cobalt ss sc for example. The top guys stock seem to be running low 14s at 98-99 mph. Why? because you're in 3rd. Now take a srt4 or ms3 or as noted before a sti. All these cars trap around 99-101 mph in the 1/4 with a couple exceptions here and there. What car do u think will reach say 120mph 1st, a srt4 or balt sc? Balt sc or sti? Balt sc or ms3. My bet is 100% against the cobalt. You raise the speed to a point where the balt has to shift into 5th and its over. I dont know why you guys are complaining about finishing in 3rd gear, for the 1/4 thats perfect, for anything else above that or road racing its not as good as the short gear 6 speeds.

 

for an ss/sc to need to shift to 5th its gonna need to trap above 140mph........

 

yea, not too many people would race to where the ss/sc will be hitting 5th.

 

its just putting things into perspective. the sc gearing is perfect for the 1/4. Even when u shift into 4th you will be pulled up top even though all of these cars appear to trap around the 100mph mark.

So you guys are in third with room to spare at 100mph, so what does 3rd end at? 105? 4th ends at 140 u said? Why do u think u can keep up with a srt4 or sti or ms3 or whatever else traps 100mph and proceed to get pulled after that? Gearing
top speed runs short gears work becuase they are dragged out perfect, 1/4 runs long gearing works cause they are dragged out allowing you to stay in boost longer. As the speed increases it hurts you. @ 100 your spinning lets say 6500rmp in 3rd making lets say 215whp. @ 105 your spinning lets say 4k rmp making what? 170whp? These are all just guesses, i didnt actually look up any dynos or gear ratios for this car. @ 100mph my car is in 5th making 220 or so, and at 105 its in 5th making 220 or so and at 115 its in 5th making over 220 or so. @ 120 i shift into 6th and im making once again 220 or so cause the rmps dont drop any. @ 120 your still in 4th dragging out the gear. Im not bashing just giving my point of view as to why i think you gears do not "suck" for 1/4 mile racing.

 

its all good. Unlike some of the trolls we find on this site sometimes, I have no problem disagreeing with someone, without holding it against them doesnt mean we will hate eachother and start insulting eachother. debate is great. good way to learn new things


basically the more gears you have, the lower your RPM drops when you go into the next gear, with little higher revving 4 bangers, we need to keep the rpms up in our powerband,
only having 3 gears means that when we shift, we are dropping down to a lower RPM, than we would if we had 4 closer gears.

If you had 2 identical cobalts side by side
1 hit 105mph at the top of 3rd gear similar to real life.
and the other hits say 110mph at the top of 4th gear.....
thereby allowing closer gearing....

Assuming they both shift as quick as they possibly can, i would put my money on the second one definately.

 

Like i said i have never seen a dyno of the sc balt. But short gearing is ideal for peaky engine aka anything made by honda. Short gearing for my car is pointless because the tq and hp curve is pretty flat. Are these cobalts peaky?

When kev took me for a little spin on a highway it appeared to be a very linear powerband making what seems to be a straight line @ an angle of course up to redline. His has a 2.8 or 2.9 pulley on it though, i dont know how a stock one pulls. If your engine are infact peaky, then i agree that a shorter gearing would help you, but if ure powerband is like any other FI car then the longer gearing benifts you more.

 

the torque curves are pretty flat, hp does just what you said. angled line all the way up.

and it's a 2.9 btw

 

Basically, the Cobalt is a piece of ****. I'm not even sure with this "comparison" was made. A Mazdaspeed3 so far gone from an SS/SC it's laughable.

 

...and ban in 5 4 3 2 1....