GM Exec Calls Chevy Cobalt "Horrible"
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Hmm I did make a mistake in the citation of the quad 4 (an excellent engine after a head gasket change. mine didn't survive and required a head from an Achieva (which later discovered was the W41 head) not to mention after the block and head were decked it did bump the compression a wee bit. Anyways, to clarify what I was referring to, the ENGINE was MANUFACTURED by ISUZU from 89-93, hell my block said so right on it. Probably GM not having the capacity or tooling to manufacture in house? Not to say they didn't assemble or design it, I'm referring to the block. Anyways, your right, I'm wrong.
Anyways, many of those N-Bodys did utilize an Isuzu designed transmission for some of the manual models. It was either the Isuzu, the Muncie, or the Getrag.
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well for everyone thats butthurt by this, you need to wake the **** up.
just because your still making payments (im one of you) doesnt mean that the car doesnt suck.
My cobalt is fast and relatively fuel efficient. Thats it. Lets face it though.
The doors will rust,
the suspension bushings squeak,
the interior rattles more than a pop can full of coins.
The motor sweats oil,
the rear calipers stick,
the Charge piping explodes,
the hvac ticks and squeaks,
the sunroof makes noise and even leaks,
the rotors are grooved and rusting near the hub,
the drivers side door panel doesnt want to stay on.
The antennae rusts itself on
Looks like theres a batch of piston rings
To say the cobalt is a crapily built car is being GENTLE!
I wanted to buy american and i wanted something with forced induction. I took the bait. and so did you....
If i was wiser, i would have done a used STI, or used 335i, maybe a used 370z but buying a used sportscar can be similarly unwise as buying a new cobalt
just because your still making payments (im one of you) doesnt mean that the car doesnt suck.
My cobalt is fast and relatively fuel efficient. Thats it. Lets face it though.
The doors will rust,
the suspension bushings squeak,
the interior rattles more than a pop can full of coins.
The motor sweats oil,
the rear calipers stick,
the Charge piping explodes,
the hvac ticks and squeaks,
the sunroof makes noise and even leaks,
the rotors are grooved and rusting near the hub,
the drivers side door panel doesnt want to stay on.
The antennae rusts itself on
Looks like theres a batch of piston rings
To say the cobalt is a crapily built car is being GENTLE!
I wanted to buy american and i wanted something with forced induction. I took the bait. and so did you....
If i was wiser, i would have done a used STI, or used 335i, maybe a used 370z but buying a used sportscar can be similarly unwise as buying a new cobalt
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I agree with him. Going from the SS/SC to the 350Z was a huge upgrade. The interior of the Z (which is still plastic) is far superior to the Cobalts. And I don't have trim pieces peeling or falling off. The Z has far fewer noises, pops and vibrations than the Cobalt as well. The Cobalt really left much to be desired. I hope Cruze is a better car.
And considering the 350Z's price was up near 40K for the NISMO edition, the interior leaves A LOT to be desired. It in no way compares to the new Camaro, Mustang, or the majority of other cars in that price range.
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The GM execs are trying to distance themselves from the pre bankruptcy GM. Kinda like how all the republicans were jumping ship from the Bush bandwagon torward the end of his tenure in a vain attempt to avoid getting voted out. Just a common business/political tactic to try and distance themselves from their previous screwups.
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well for everyone thats butthurt by this, you need to wake the **** up.
just because your still making payments (im one of you) doesnt mean that the car doesnt suck.
My cobalt is fast and relatively fuel efficient. Thats it. Lets face it though.
The doors will rust,
the suspension bushings squeak,
the interior rattles more than a pop can full of coins.
The motor sweats oil,
the rear calipers stick,
the Charge piping explodes,
the hvac ticks and squeaks,
the sunroof makes noise and even leaks,
the rotors are grooved and rusting near the hub,
the drivers side door panel doesnt want to stay on.
The antennae rusts itself on
Looks like theres a batch of piston rings
To say the cobalt is a crapily built car is being GENTLE!
I wanted to buy american and i wanted something with forced induction. I took the bait. and so did you....
If i was wiser, i would have done a used STI, or used 335i, maybe a used 370z but buying a used sportscar can be similarly unwise as buying a new cobalt
just because your still making payments (im one of you) doesnt mean that the car doesnt suck.
My cobalt is fast and relatively fuel efficient. Thats it. Lets face it though.
The doors will rust,
the suspension bushings squeak,
the interior rattles more than a pop can full of coins.
The motor sweats oil,
the rear calipers stick,
the Charge piping explodes,
the hvac ticks and squeaks,
the sunroof makes noise and even leaks,
the rotors are grooved and rusting near the hub,
the drivers side door panel doesnt want to stay on.
The antennae rusts itself on
Looks like theres a batch of piston rings
To say the cobalt is a crapily built car is being GENTLE!
I wanted to buy american and i wanted something with forced induction. I took the bait. and so did you....
If i was wiser, i would have done a used STI, or used 335i, maybe a used 370z but buying a used sportscar can be similarly unwise as buying a new cobalt
Newsflash: EVERY car has issues. You are not going to find a car out there that is and will always be 100% trouble and issue free. Its just not possible being that automobiles are mechanical devices engineered and built by humans.
The best one on that list is "the rotors are rusting near the hub". WTF?? Are you serious?? Every car will do that. At least the Cobalt SS T/C's come with painted rotor hats, unlike most cars. My Mother's '06 Acura TL has rusty rotors and calipers (shitty cast iron calipers, go figure) and its garage kept. You are just nitpicking, if it bothers you so much go buy a can of $7 caliper spray paint and repaint them. Thats what I did and it looks excellent.
What you get with a Cobalt is a basic automobile that gets you from point A to point B in relative comfort and with good reliability in an affordable package. What you get with a Cobalt SS T/C is a version of a basic automobile that has numerous performance features, and is faster and better performing than cars that cost thousands more. So in other words you take an economy package and upgrade it. Just like the LANCER Evolution and IMPREZA WRX. Those are just modified economy cars too, and anyone who has ever driven a regular Lancer knows what pieces of **** they are.
The Cobalt SS T/C is by far the best performing value for the money out there in the sport compact market. Its the fastest production FWD car in the world, and it beat the Evo and STI around VIR. Yet, unlike those cars, it actually looks subtle but nice and gets a very respectable 30MPG highway. It also make much more low end torque, with a peak of 2,000RPM, unlike either of the aforementioned cars which have no low end power and terrible turbo lag.
Yet some people only look at the negatives and never the positives. And those are the people that don't appreciate a car for what it is, they degrade a car for what it is not. And thats simply ignorant.
GM life for me started with a 1990 Chevy Beretta GTZ, frankly it was a better car than the Cobalt, and I had it when it was already 9 years old. It was missing no interior parts, none of the trim was faded and the only defect was a slight raise in the defroster vent. The wheels were sex and paint matched to the car, the car's paint (after a reformulation in mid 89) still had all it's clearcoat and a application of wax made it look awesome. The engine left something to be desired, I blew the head gasket at 92,000 miles and it was incredibly loud, but that's what made it fun. Furthermore a good driver could rocket the 2.3/5 speed down the 1/4 for a mid or high 14. The car NEVER failed to get me 32 mpg, every tank every weekend cruise and beating resulted in the same mpg...unfathomable. That car was by far the best car I ever owned, it cost the least of all my cars to maintain...and then it went downhill.
My next GM was a 1996 Beretta Z26, purchased in 2002, it was nice, I liked it. Until the rattles developed. (This was the later date interior redesign beretta btw) Now that's fine since it had nice seats, but then my driver's seat adjuster BROKE, leaving me to permanently repair it so it became nonadjustable. Sure, all well and good, but did the car do it's job? Sure it did. It was by far the SLOWEST Z2x model GM made, I had low 16 second quarters with that car, there was absolutely no reason the highest EVER torque gen 3 v6 should have behaved this way but it did. GM downgraded power output form my 1990 GTz at roughly 190 to 155 for my 96 Z26, awesome GM, and they did away with the manual option in 94. Not to mention I had a head gasket failure, radiator failure water pump failure and eventually it crapped a valve before it hit 160K, all because of that new fangled DEXCOOL...again awesome GM innovation.
My next GM vehicle (I briefly went with a Mazda RX7 Turbo, fantastic car, but after my third tear down to replaced apex seals I was done with it.) was a 1997 Chevy Blazer LT. This had the power features, leather, 4x4, running boards and so on. And true to GM design it rattled, "complained" and made more noise than any other vehicle I have ever owned. The transmission failed months after I got it, a classic example of GM ineptitude especially since it was a "well cared for" GM preowned certified vehicle. Anyways, once the transmission failed, I replaced it with a PERFORMANCE transmission problem solved. The next failure occurred during a hunting trip, while in 2wd no less my transfer case tail cone broken in all kinds of pieces and shat bearing and fluid everywhere. (The chain and broke despite being disengaged?) Again I replaced it with a MANUAL engagement 231 case. Next failure was my electrical system, my ECM failed...twice...in the same year, followed by my air conditioning compressor and alternator. Then the injector spider assembly began leaking massive amounts of fuel into the oil...awesome. Eventually this wrought the destruction of one of GMs best made engines, the 4.3 Vortec. I replaced the engine with a junkyard motor I painstakingly took the time to rebuild and include the addition of performance parts. Excellent. Then the headlight issue, where my headlights turned on and off whenever they felt like it depsite the position of the switch or for that matter if it was plugged in or not. Then the ABS failure that caused my brakes to become inoperable. Then the rear end destroyed itself and nearly flipped us at 70mph on I55. I still technically own it, but all it gets used for is hunting, I have stripped out the interior, it has oversized mud tires and is missing most of the electronics, after stripping it out of being what it was made for it works just fine sitting for months at a time being used a half dozen times a year. yet I cant help but tell you this has to be GMs WORST SUV EVER.
My next GM vehicle because I apparently am a glutton for punishment was actually by far the worst. And I mean this kindly saying it. 2003 GMC Sierra 2500HD with the Duramax and Allison trans. I loved this truck I spent almost all of my deployment money to get it. My first problem was leaving the lot for the first time. The check engine light came on and they had to install new injectors. A week later I had the light return this time they replaced a diaphragm in the fuel system (where I dont remember itts been a while). Next my door handle fell off, just inexplicably fell off, followed shortly thereafter with my tailgate handle. Then the tow hooks rusted, the rims were by far the worst GM has ever made, they not only scaled over but the paint/clear coat came off in chunks as big as dollars. Then after another shorter deployment I had a series of engine failures that included the high pressure injection pump, another set of injectors, the timing gears, and even included an electrical problem the dealer couldn't find until my GROUND STRAP started on FIRE while it was idling in the shop just before I was supposed to get it back. I guess I won't mention the CD player ate my cd and never gave it back it never remembered radio stations, my power memory seat never remembered ****. The defrost never worked unless it was 90 degrees out then it worked fine. It constantly hunted gears while cruising below 50. I had oil leaks on a two year old low mile truck and GM claimed this was normal. I had the only "new" truck I couldn't park on my own driveway without a oil diaper. My exhaust rattled when it was cold, hell it rattled when it was hot too. The interior made alot of noise but not as bad as the blazer, mostly because parts of it just fell off rather than endure making noise about it. My then wife broke her arm when the grab handle decided it would no longer serve it's purpose. My passenger side door panel flapped for no explainable reason after GM replaced my inoperable window motor. My unlock switch worked only if I didn't scare or upset it. The GM autolock feature worked when it felt like it, even when it wasn't on, unlocking itself without my permission, I had a phone and pocket knife stolen because of this. Anyways, GM paid off my loan after I sued, after I won a lemon law settlement and only then did they offer me to replace it. No thanks, never get another GM truck.
From then on it was a while before I went back to GM.
Now the cobalt. Yanno what, the Cobalt as expected rattles, it has problems with the rear brakes because it 25 years GM HAS NEVER GOTTEN REAR BRAKES RIGHT. No seriously think about this, anyone remember oldsmobile cutlass supremes from the 90s? And what was their biggest issue? Rear brakes. Disc...fail, thanks GM. Also I never had a car that nagged me so much about **** I just don't care about, no I don't need warning chimes to tell me I turned my auto lights off, no I don't need a reminder that my parking brake is up, despite the idiot light the display message and the warning chime... Why can't there be a button to turn ESC, TC and ABS off...if I wanted it on I would tell it. Why does GM still believe it's ok that an engine LEAKS OIL, mine leaks...and it's getting worse, my brakes, hell I figure I'll run them until I wear the pad backings off the insides, I have no intention to reuse any component except the calipers when I do change the rears. Why does my year old car squeek when I open the door, or raise the sunroof, and why when my windows are up does my windshield squeel in the wind. Why is GM more concerned about checking my ECM to fix my sunroof rattle? Or for instance why did my key get stuck with the car unable to be turned off. Why did my seatbelt break? Why has the paint begun flaking off my door handle or for that matter why are both my foglights looking grayish yellow, both front and rear chevy emblems look like they are fifteen years old. I haven't touched my interior but why are the threads comign apart on the passenger seat...the one nobody sits in five days a week. Why did I spend 25 grand on a car that as I've discovered will not last 100K miles. This is my last GM car for the rest of my life.
Oh but the base cobalt, I got one for a rental, by far the worst small car I've ever had the displeasure to drive. It was also the ONLY small car that felt like driving a big car. There was nothing repsonsive about it, and it felt like you had to telegraph your intentions to the transmission to get it into passing gear. It had 43 miles on it, and yes it rattled worse than my 20K mile SS/TC...jesus and people pay 17 grand for this thing. The seats had you sitting bolt upright (it was a sedan) and had been overstuffed. I am a pretty big guy for my height and I just felt "pressured" every time I sat in it. Absolutely the worst car I have ever driven and I've got Uparmored HMMWVs on the list of things I have drive. It literally felt like I was driving a glass car and that if I did the wrong thing it would break, nothing gave me a sense of security or confidence to drive it with a measure of comfort.
My next GM was a 1996 Beretta Z26, purchased in 2002, it was nice, I liked it. Until the rattles developed. (This was the later date interior redesign beretta btw) Now that's fine since it had nice seats, but then my driver's seat adjuster BROKE, leaving me to permanently repair it so it became nonadjustable. Sure, all well and good, but did the car do it's job? Sure it did. It was by far the SLOWEST Z2x model GM made, I had low 16 second quarters with that car, there was absolutely no reason the highest EVER torque gen 3 v6 should have behaved this way but it did. GM downgraded power output form my 1990 GTz at roughly 190 to 155 for my 96 Z26, awesome GM, and they did away with the manual option in 94. Not to mention I had a head gasket failure, radiator failure water pump failure and eventually it crapped a valve before it hit 160K, all because of that new fangled DEXCOOL...again awesome GM innovation.
My next GM vehicle (I briefly went with a Mazda RX7 Turbo, fantastic car, but after my third tear down to replaced apex seals I was done with it.) was a 1997 Chevy Blazer LT. This had the power features, leather, 4x4, running boards and so on. And true to GM design it rattled, "complained" and made more noise than any other vehicle I have ever owned. The transmission failed months after I got it, a classic example of GM ineptitude especially since it was a "well cared for" GM preowned certified vehicle. Anyways, once the transmission failed, I replaced it with a PERFORMANCE transmission problem solved. The next failure occurred during a hunting trip, while in 2wd no less my transfer case tail cone broken in all kinds of pieces and shat bearing and fluid everywhere. (The chain and broke despite being disengaged?) Again I replaced it with a MANUAL engagement 231 case. Next failure was my electrical system, my ECM failed...twice...in the same year, followed by my air conditioning compressor and alternator. Then the injector spider assembly began leaking massive amounts of fuel into the oil...awesome. Eventually this wrought the destruction of one of GMs best made engines, the 4.3 Vortec. I replaced the engine with a junkyard motor I painstakingly took the time to rebuild and include the addition of performance parts. Excellent. Then the headlight issue, where my headlights turned on and off whenever they felt like it depsite the position of the switch or for that matter if it was plugged in or not. Then the ABS failure that caused my brakes to become inoperable. Then the rear end destroyed itself and nearly flipped us at 70mph on I55. I still technically own it, but all it gets used for is hunting, I have stripped out the interior, it has oversized mud tires and is missing most of the electronics, after stripping it out of being what it was made for it works just fine sitting for months at a time being used a half dozen times a year. yet I cant help but tell you this has to be GMs WORST SUV EVER.
My next GM vehicle because I apparently am a glutton for punishment was actually by far the worst. And I mean this kindly saying it. 2003 GMC Sierra 2500HD with the Duramax and Allison trans. I loved this truck I spent almost all of my deployment money to get it. My first problem was leaving the lot for the first time. The check engine light came on and they had to install new injectors. A week later I had the light return this time they replaced a diaphragm in the fuel system (where I dont remember itts been a while). Next my door handle fell off, just inexplicably fell off, followed shortly thereafter with my tailgate handle. Then the tow hooks rusted, the rims were by far the worst GM has ever made, they not only scaled over but the paint/clear coat came off in chunks as big as dollars. Then after another shorter deployment I had a series of engine failures that included the high pressure injection pump, another set of injectors, the timing gears, and even included an electrical problem the dealer couldn't find until my GROUND STRAP started on FIRE while it was idling in the shop just before I was supposed to get it back. I guess I won't mention the CD player ate my cd and never gave it back it never remembered radio stations, my power memory seat never remembered ****. The defrost never worked unless it was 90 degrees out then it worked fine. It constantly hunted gears while cruising below 50. I had oil leaks on a two year old low mile truck and GM claimed this was normal. I had the only "new" truck I couldn't park on my own driveway without a oil diaper. My exhaust rattled when it was cold, hell it rattled when it was hot too. The interior made alot of noise but not as bad as the blazer, mostly because parts of it just fell off rather than endure making noise about it. My then wife broke her arm when the grab handle decided it would no longer serve it's purpose. My passenger side door panel flapped for no explainable reason after GM replaced my inoperable window motor. My unlock switch worked only if I didn't scare or upset it. The GM autolock feature worked when it felt like it, even when it wasn't on, unlocking itself without my permission, I had a phone and pocket knife stolen because of this. Anyways, GM paid off my loan after I sued, after I won a lemon law settlement and only then did they offer me to replace it. No thanks, never get another GM truck.
From then on it was a while before I went back to GM.
Now the cobalt. Yanno what, the Cobalt as expected rattles, it has problems with the rear brakes because it 25 years GM HAS NEVER GOTTEN REAR BRAKES RIGHT. No seriously think about this, anyone remember oldsmobile cutlass supremes from the 90s? And what was their biggest issue? Rear brakes. Disc...fail, thanks GM. Also I never had a car that nagged me so much about **** I just don't care about, no I don't need warning chimes to tell me I turned my auto lights off, no I don't need a reminder that my parking brake is up, despite the idiot light the display message and the warning chime... Why can't there be a button to turn ESC, TC and ABS off...if I wanted it on I would tell it. Why does GM still believe it's ok that an engine LEAKS OIL, mine leaks...and it's getting worse, my brakes, hell I figure I'll run them until I wear the pad backings off the insides, I have no intention to reuse any component except the calipers when I do change the rears. Why does my year old car squeek when I open the door, or raise the sunroof, and why when my windows are up does my windshield squeel in the wind. Why is GM more concerned about checking my ECM to fix my sunroof rattle? Or for instance why did my key get stuck with the car unable to be turned off. Why did my seatbelt break? Why has the paint begun flaking off my door handle or for that matter why are both my foglights looking grayish yellow, both front and rear chevy emblems look like they are fifteen years old. I haven't touched my interior but why are the threads comign apart on the passenger seat...the one nobody sits in five days a week. Why did I spend 25 grand on a car that as I've discovered will not last 100K miles. This is my last GM car for the rest of my life.
Oh but the base cobalt, I got one for a rental, by far the worst small car I've ever had the displeasure to drive. It was also the ONLY small car that felt like driving a big car. There was nothing repsonsive about it, and it felt like you had to telegraph your intentions to the transmission to get it into passing gear. It had 43 miles on it, and yes it rattled worse than my 20K mile SS/TC...jesus and people pay 17 grand for this thing. The seats had you sitting bolt upright (it was a sedan) and had been overstuffed. I am a pretty big guy for my height and I just felt "pressured" every time I sat in it. Absolutely the worst car I have ever driven and I've got Uparmored HMMWVs on the list of things I have drive. It literally felt like I was driving a glass car and that if I did the wrong thing it would break, nothing gave me a sense of security or confidence to drive it with a measure of comfort.
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Amazing how people come up with these lists acting like each and EVERY car has these exact problems and they are the most horrible things ever. And the majority of these people can't even change their own brake pads.
Newsflash: EVERY car has issues. You are not going to find a car out there that is and will always be 100% trouble and issue free. Its just not possible being that automobiles are mechanical devices engineered and built by humans.
The best one on that list is "the rotors are rusting near the hub". WTF?? Are you serious?? Every car will do that. At least the Cobalt SS T/C's come with painted rotor hats, unlike most cars. My Mother's '06 Acura TL has rusty rotors and calipers (shitty cast iron calipers, go figure) and its garage kept. You are just nitpicking, if it bothers you so much go buy a can of $7 caliper spray paint and repaint them. Thats what I did and it looks excellent.
What you get with a Cobalt is a basic automobile that gets you from point A to point B in relative comfort and with good reliability in an affordable package. What you get with a Cobalt SS T/C is a version of a basic automobile that has numerous performance features, and is faster and better performing than cars that cost thousands more. So in other words you take an economy package and upgrade it. Just like the LANCER Evolution and IMPREZA WRX. Those are just modified economy cars too, and anyone who has ever driven a regular Lancer knows what pieces of **** they are.
The Cobalt SS T/C is by far the best performing value for the money out there in the sport compact market. Its the fastest production FWD car in the world, and it beat the Evo and STI around VIR. Yet, unlike those cars, it actually looks subtle but nice and gets a very respectable 30MPG highway. It also make much more low end torque, with a peak of 2,000RPM, unlike either of the aforementioned cars which have no low end power and terrible turbo lag.
Yet some people only look at the negatives and never the positives. And those are the people that don't appreciate a car for what it is, they degrade a car for what it is not. And thats simply ignorant.
Newsflash: EVERY car has issues. You are not going to find a car out there that is and will always be 100% trouble and issue free. Its just not possible being that automobiles are mechanical devices engineered and built by humans.
The best one on that list is "the rotors are rusting near the hub". WTF?? Are you serious?? Every car will do that. At least the Cobalt SS T/C's come with painted rotor hats, unlike most cars. My Mother's '06 Acura TL has rusty rotors and calipers (shitty cast iron calipers, go figure) and its garage kept. You are just nitpicking, if it bothers you so much go buy a can of $7 caliper spray paint and repaint them. Thats what I did and it looks excellent.
What you get with a Cobalt is a basic automobile that gets you from point A to point B in relative comfort and with good reliability in an affordable package. What you get with a Cobalt SS T/C is a version of a basic automobile that has numerous performance features, and is faster and better performing than cars that cost thousands more. So in other words you take an economy package and upgrade it. Just like the LANCER Evolution and IMPREZA WRX. Those are just modified economy cars too, and anyone who has ever driven a regular Lancer knows what pieces of **** they are.
The Cobalt SS T/C is by far the best performing value for the money out there in the sport compact market. Its the fastest production FWD car in the world, and it beat the Evo and STI around VIR. Yet, unlike those cars, it actually looks subtle but nice and gets a very respectable 30MPG highway. It also make much more low end torque, with a peak of 2,000RPM, unlike either of the aforementioned cars which have no low end power and terrible turbo lag.
Yet some people only look at the negatives and never the positives. And those are the people that don't appreciate a car for what it is, they degrade a car for what it is not. And thats simply ignorant.
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I like that he said that.. At least he isn't blind.. I mean lets be real here, the Cobalt isn't a GREAT car. I think a lot of owners are in denial about that. Sure the SS may handle well, but its overall feel still isn't very polished. Compared to the other econo boxes, the overall fit, finish, and feel is cheap. I have driven a normal Cobalt as a dealer courtesy car and it was garbage. Imagine if Top Gear got a hold of a Cobalt, lol. I still love mine, but I am aware of the shortfalls. Cobalt's are good affordable cars that fit the bill for many people. Is there better? Probably.. There's no point in arguing about any of it.
This just shows resolve to me, it is a positive thing. It means he strives to make better.
This just shows resolve to me, it is a positive thing. It means he strives to make better.
Their "Reasonably Priced Car" in their Star in a... is a overseas version of the Cobalt. The producers claim the car is generally junked after a season (for BBC that's 12 weeks) with a few thousand miles on it. In season 12 the engine blows in practice and they have to get a new car to finish the clip. The whole point of the gag is to make fun of the car.
Oh and they did test a Cobalt SS/TC, at least their equivalent of one. Vauxhall Astra VXR albeit the VXR is built better and comes with a six speed. Every now and then they test the VXR lineup because frankly their absurd to own in a country with average speed cameras.
Oh and they did test a Cobalt SS/TC, at least their equivalent of one. Vauxhall Astra VXR albeit the VXR is built better and comes with a six speed. Every now and then they test the VXR lineup because frankly their absurd to own in a country with average speed cameras.
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I like that he said that.. At least he isn't blind.. I mean lets be real here, the Cobalt isn't a GREAT car. I think a lot of owners are in denial about that. Sure the SS may handle well, but its overall feel still isn't very polished. Compared to the other econo boxes, the overall fit, finish, and feel is cheap. I have driven a normal Cobalt as a dealer courtesy car and it was garbage. Imagine if Top Gear got a hold of a Cobalt, lol. I still love mine, but I am aware of the shortfalls. Cobalt's are good affordable cars that fit the bill for many people. Is there better? Probably.. There's no point in arguing about any of it.
This just shows resolve to me, it is a positive thing. It means he strives to make better.
This just shows resolve to me, it is a positive thing. It means he strives to make better.
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I will keep this very simple for the retards in the room. LS, LT, Sport, SS/SC, SS/TC all = COBALT. The fitment of body panels on your most precious SS is just as bad as a base LS model. The interior makes just as many noises, and is made of the same plastic.
All this "he can't be talking about my SS" is stupid. Of course he is morons.
All this "he can't be talking about my SS" is stupid. Of course he is morons.
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I will keep this very simple for the retards in the room. LS, LT, Sport, SS/SC, SS/TC all = COBALT. The fitment of body panels on your most precious SS is just as bad as a base LS model. The interior makes just as many noises, and is made of the same plastic.
All this "he can't be talking about my SS" is stupid. Of course he is morons.
All this "he can't be talking about my SS" is stupid. Of course he is morons.
exactly my point. Like I said, theres no denying the SS is fast. but it has soooo many issues with BUILD QUALITY
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Ok so I keep reading about how "shitty" the cobalt interior is. Have any of you ever owned a J-Body? I have for about 10 years. Bought the delta in January and I can honestly say it's like driving a Cadillac comparatively speaking. The delta doesn't have near the rattles and little bullshit that the J had. Bought a brand new 04 LS Sport, and bought my 09 SS brand new as well so I am comparing a brand new car to a brand new car and I can honestly say there is no comparison.
So when people start bitching about the interior and rattles of the Cobalt I laugh and say...well drive a Cavalier...then you'll have something to bitch about.
So when people start bitching about the interior and rattles of the Cobalt I laugh and say...well drive a Cavalier...then you'll have something to bitch about.
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I would never be caught dead in any of the comparable cars in the Cobalt's class. Civic...NEXT!!!! Mazda 3...maybe if I was a 17 year old girl...Ford Focus...not exactly what I want to spend 20k on. Neon...you're joking right? You want to bitch about the Cobalt...buy something else and enjoy the view from BEHIND us.
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good post.
some Chevrolet examples:
good post.
some Chevrolet examples:
- Chevette (ok granted RWD is fun, but aside from being a great platform to swap a V8 into... come on)
- Sprint (imho, there is nothing redeeming about this car)
- Lumina (boring, anemic V6, no thanks)
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Again proving what I was saying. Cobalts may not be the be all to end all, but they are certainly better than quite a few of the alternatives and quite an upgrade for some of us. I just think there are entirely too many unappreciative whiny bitches getting these cars and they have nothing to compare it to except their mommy and daddy's mercedes. Of course the cobalt is a pile of **** compared to that.
I would never be caught dead in any of the comparable cars in the Cobalt's class. Civic...NEXT!!!! Mazda 3...maybe if I was a 17 year old girl...Ford Focus...not exactly what I want to spend 20k on. Neon...you're joking right? You want to bitch about the Cobalt...buy something else and enjoy the view from BEHIND us.
I would never be caught dead in any of the comparable cars in the Cobalt's class. Civic...NEXT!!!! Mazda 3...maybe if I was a 17 year old girl...Ford Focus...not exactly what I want to spend 20k on. Neon...you're joking right? You want to bitch about the Cobalt...buy something else and enjoy the view from BEHIND us.
Ok so I keep reading about how "shitty" the cobalt interior is. Have any of you ever owned a J-Body? I have for about 10 years. Bought the delta in January and I can honestly say it's like driving a Cadillac comparatively speaking. The delta doesn't have near the rattles and little bullshit that the J had. Bought a brand new 04 LS Sport, and bought my 09 SS brand new as well so I am comparing a brand new car to a brand new car and I can honestly say there is no comparison.
So when people start bitching about the interior and rattles of the Cobalt I laugh and say...well drive a Cavalier...then you'll have something to bitch about.
So when people start bitching about the interior and rattles of the Cobalt I laugh and say...well drive a Cavalier...then you'll have something to bitch about.
My ms3 put the cobalts build quality and interior to shame and it had the same (about) msrp and kept its resale value. Look at the cruze, just in looking at pics, its leaps and bounds ahead of the cobalt.....correlation? ya the cobalt and prior car had crap ass interiors and they are finally doing something about it.
I got a great idea;
If you’re going to come here and whine about your Cobalt, why don’t you do us a favor, sell it and STFU.
Every single person here had their reason for buying a Cobalt. Coming here to complain about your Cobalt, and (more often than not) compare it to cars in different price classes ect) is not only pointless, but it’s annoying.
Both compacts and (older) enthusiast cars often (for totally different reasons) will ride rough, be noisy, ect, ect…
If you want a car that rides nice, makes no noise and has some power, WTF did you buy a Chevrolet (let alone a compact Chevrolet) for??
~ Go buy a Jaguar, Cadillac, or a Lincon, STFU and leave this group alone.
At the very least, if you don’t want a car with typical compact attributes, step up and buy a car in a higher price range that has more of the creature comforts you are wanting.
A question that begs to be asked regarding posters like northvibe* is why did they sold their car they liked “more” in leau of a Cobalt!?
(* = I’m not picking on you, just using the last part of your post as an example)
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting a smooth ride…
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting a plush interior…
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting it to be the fastest car around…
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting fit & finish on par with cars in higher price classes…
I bought a Cobalt, because it had a four-banger from which I could expect to get roughly 30mpg’s, while being fun to drive.
I bought a Cobalt because for it’s price class, I felt it was a great balance of practicality & performance.
I bought a Cobalt because I choose to not buy from a company who’s profits are sent overseas.
I see the resounding issue with the original point of this thread is that another GM buffoon has publicly ‘knocked’ his own product – a car which every single one of his (Chevrolet) franchises has multiple examples of on their lots;
This not only hurts dealers from selling remaining inventory (a terrible business move BTW), but it hurts resale because of creating negative press attributed toward the car.
Point made?
If you’re going to come here and whine about your Cobalt, why don’t you do us a favor, sell it and STFU.
Every single person here had their reason for buying a Cobalt. Coming here to complain about your Cobalt, and (more often than not) compare it to cars in different price classes ect) is not only pointless, but it’s annoying.
Both compacts and (older) enthusiast cars often (for totally different reasons) will ride rough, be noisy, ect, ect…
If you want a car that rides nice, makes no noise and has some power, WTF did you buy a Chevrolet (let alone a compact Chevrolet) for??
~ Go buy a Jaguar, Cadillac, or a Lincon, STFU and leave this group alone.
At the very least, if you don’t want a car with typical compact attributes, step up and buy a car in a higher price range that has more of the creature comforts you are wanting.
A question that begs to be asked regarding posters like northvibe* is why did they sold their car they liked “more” in leau of a Cobalt!?
(* = I’m not picking on you, just using the last part of your post as an example)
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting a smooth ride…
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting a plush interior…
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting it to be the fastest car around…
I didn’t buy a Cobalt expecting fit & finish on par with cars in higher price classes…
I bought a Cobalt, because it had a four-banger from which I could expect to get roughly 30mpg’s, while being fun to drive.
I bought a Cobalt because for it’s price class, I felt it was a great balance of practicality & performance.
I bought a Cobalt because I choose to not buy from a company who’s profits are sent overseas.
I see the resounding issue with the original point of this thread is that another GM buffoon has publicly ‘knocked’ his own product – a car which every single one of his (Chevrolet) franchises has multiple examples of on their lots;
This not only hurts dealers from selling remaining inventory (a terrible business move BTW), but it hurts resale because of creating negative press attributed toward the car.
Point made?
