And the article was called “cheap speed”, not “cheap speed and luxury with a emphases on luxury “
I don’t give a damn about luxury if I did , I wouldn’t be driving around in a cobalt with solid motor mounts. And when I pick a article called cheap speed I expect to be just that . hell why even run the cars thro the test if the winner was picked solely on how nice the car was.

the acr posted a time of 40.81 the red line 40.86 and the cobalt 40.90. yes the acr won but it asr needed wider tiers and more power to do so. and it barley skated by , by just a few 10ths. which further backs up my theory that the cobalt/redline handles better than the neon. due to fact the neon had more power , fancy struts wide tires and lightweight wheels. But realy didn’t do much better than the ion or redline

so in closeting
..the acr is quicker around a track ...YES
dose it handle: better in my opinion ...NO

if you put a stage 1 or 2 to make the power even with the srt4 and gave them equal tires ..who do you think would have won? And I know it’s a stock comparison …but how many of our cars are stock?

 

When that article came out everyone bitched about the luxury winning but either way srt won...10mm on each tire...wow QQ me a river. And handling when u find a good set of numbers will have srt ahead by .01 in every test but the slalom generally...neither car greatly outhandles the other...as evidenced by the auto x times.

BTW there is probably more LSJ's stock then there are srt-4s

Opinions aren't facts btw...quit trying to use them as such

 

the price seems a little high to me.. personally i'm not going to pay that much for any used car unless it started out at like 30k or so..

srt-4's are fast i'll give them that but the interior quality doesn't warrant 17K used IMO.. and the seats it all depends on which ones.. are they "viper inspired" ? or the real thing...

looks are really up to you... I can't stand the t in the mouth of the srt and it really doesn't have anything that really stands out to me looks wise..

if you're looking for straight line performance srt4's are awesome and with some work can be made really fast..

however if you're looking to keep an all around experience keep the balt.. and if you want more speed turbo it.. contrary to what people believe the eco blocks are rather strong and can take some punishment (just the stock heaton kinda kills it) you can run 350 whp with a good tune on a turbo setup or about 320 on lower boost just to be safe... and the price doesn't have to be huge...

also (this is just my opinion again) but 400whp or above is crazy if you're running that on the street.. especially in a car the size of a compact/ sport compact (whether it be a balt, ion, srt, regualr neon or whatever)

 

Have you ever heard of a gadget called a boost controller?? Most people don't run 400+whp in their FWD car on the street, they dial the boost down.

 

i know about them .... i was saying a for instance

 

thats why i state my opinion as opinions .
but im done , you guys are looking at it with a magnfieng glass im looking at it on the sub mulaclar level.

its my Opinion, the desing of the delta platform is better suited for better handling .
its my Opinion
watching both cars race , you can tell the delta is a stiffer more solid car , by the way it stays level thro corner and lifts the inside rear wheel.
its my Opinion that the ss handles better than the srt4 but as good as the acr srt4
its my Opinion that if the cobalt was equiped with adj. race struts and and light weight wheels and sticky tires it would out handle the acr
its my Opinion that if the ss came equiped as above plus had the same hp-tq has the srt4 that it would out handle the acr just that much more.

 

My point is you're calling a Cobra a Slowbra, which is a car that will kick your cars ass by 747 lenghts before getting out of 2nd gear.

1. I'n not your dog, dawg, boi, or whever else you want to call it you wigga.
2. Oooh, you drive a car name after a metal. Dee dee dee
3. See my reply in the first quote, the same would happen versus you.

And that is supposed to be a bad thing?

Just like the Cobalt SS is just a Cobalt and the HHR SS is just a HHR? You sure are a quick oberserver.


For all of you other decent Cobalt owners out there who are wondering why cobalt drivers get a bad rep from ALL other car enthusisats, asshats like this are why.

 

let me explain something to all of you. You all sound like those kids in middle school sitting at the lunch table giving tips to each other about sex when none of their dicks have ever been within 6 inches of a *****.

All of you talking about how well ___ handles against ____ on a road course, how much power potential there is, how much handling potential there is, blah blah blah. I would put 500 dollars down to say not more than one of you have ever driven a road course in your life. if you had some under steer in a rwd car i bet you'd think "i should give it more gas to swing the rear end out!"SHUT THE **** UP!

95% of you have absolutely no ******* idea what you are talking about, you have 0 experience and you are just getting your information from car and driver and motor trend, which by the way is written mostly by people that have barely more experience than you do. There is SO much false information and so many misconceptions in every single article that any one with a decent amount of experience will notice right away.

you have no right to say this platform handles better than this one, especially with that "in my opinion the delta platform is better suited WAH WAHH WAHHHH!" you have no clue what you are saying, you can't just get that from pictures and little tidbits out of C&D.

SO, unless you have experience with building cars (i dont mean bolt on civics retards) for road racing, don't talk about which is better like you are all knowing. Same goes for drag racing, etc. You can give opinions, but justify them with actual facts not more of your opinions or the opinions of some newb car and driver drivers that can only manage mid 13's out of solid 12 second cars. a couple of you know what you are talking about, the rest of you can go suck a fat dick. you fail.

 

 

check out the WTF THREAD OR THE PVC OR PCV THREAD, and tell them about how strong this engines are

 

the thing that really hurt the cobalt is the torsion beam...it is terrible for handling (it can be set up well...as Gm has proven)...neons are independent rear...

the fact that people think a neon is a poor handling car simply amazes me...it has won more scca competitions then any j body/cobalt combined...and thats just the 1st gen...add the 2nd and 3rd and it would bury the j bodies/cobalts under a stack of trophies.

My 1998 neon lifted the inside rear wheel and it had only a front swaybar....it handles nowhere on par as my redline or an srt...lifting an inside rear wheel means squat about performance. technically it says ur running out of droop travel.

From what the reports show...g85 cobalt = acr srt, but since a regular srt already has a lsd it will be slightly better then the stock cobalt...cobalt will have 10mm tire advantage from reports. ACR package only adds different seats and rims/tires...the acr in 1st gen used to get adjustable Arvins in 95-97 and koni's in 98-99 but that ended in 1999 with the end of the first gen.

Also hp/tq dont affect pure handling ratings...only timed course numbers..long course vs short, technical vs non

comparing modded vs stock is retarded imo.

and im stating general facts to ur opinions.

 

which is why I still miss the SRT inside.. I never said I didnt like it.. I loved it.. I just like the style and design better of the cobalt and I think it is a better daily driver with some power

 

I test drove an srt-4 today guys... It was at the Metro Acura VW dealer in Philly. I have to say the car is very quick, I can def tell the difference after coming out of the balt. Only thing I dislike is the handling, lots of body roll and you don't feel in control of the car at any speed. Overall its a nice machine, still up in the air what I'm gonna do.

 

What year, any mods, and how much they want?

 

ummm what?

 

that's the end of this thread.