I will do what I did for this one. Wait how ever long it may be for 0% and buy it then. When they do the redesign I bet you can pic the old style for dirt cheap. I refuse to pay interest on stuff that depreciates anymore.

 

Lsj Ftw

 

In a couple of years I will buy the new Cobalt for a daily driver.

 

i don't see what the big deal is. is that small turbo that much better than a s/c? i'm sure it will have the same limitations. you're going to hit a point where you have to take off the turbo and go bigger. so what's the difference really? also, what kind of aftermarket does the lnf have? is it going to be like buying a cobalt 2 years ago where there was nothing available for it?

 

I don't understand...does everyone think the turbo one is going to be way faster, or what?

It'll be easier to mod and sound better with exhaust, but I own a turbo car too, and though I love it also, I've come to prefer the instant pull of the supercharger a little more. To me the instant sc boost feels a little like being in a muscle car with tons of torque, you don't have to wait for it.

I might trade for a turbo balt (if I haven't traded for the new EVO already) but I'd only trade for the turbo balt if it was faster and had more/better options than my current 07 sc.

 

Its not just the turbo. If this is the same LNF I think it is, it is a very advanced engine featuring Direct Injection, VVT, and has thousands of hours of development behind it, im only scratching the surface as to what was done to this engine. It makes the LSJ look really old technology wise. And you can bet this car will get the same gas millage as the 2.4 cobalt at least, the efficiencies in this engine are amazing.
Technology wise, the ecotec lineup goes like this:
LNF (2.0L) > LE5 (2.4L) > 2007 L61 (2.2L) > LSJ (2.0) > 2005-2006 L61 (2.2L)

Note, post 2007 2.2L have a much more advanced ignition system/computer, thats why its separate.

Also, the aftermarket for the LNF is going to be much larger. With the Solstice, sky, the HHR, and now the cobalt all using the same engine you can bet there is going to be support for it. The LNF is a much stronger engine then the LSJ will ever be, just because it has unique oil cooling passages and other amenities added to the block that GM is putting on all the newest ecotec blocks. Not to mention this engine can take higher boost levels thanks to the direct injection.

 

Think its worth it for me to buy one? I bought my SS/SC about 3 months ago. By the time this car comes out my car should be right around a year old. Would I get screwed on the trade in?

 

better believe it. you'll have yourself a new $30,000 cobalt

 

I went to hahn's website a couple of days ago and between a tune and a fmic to the lnf they are at 300 whp!!! Pretty impressive. Yes the turbo is kinda of small and you will hit limitations as fast as the lsj but swapping into a bigger turbo its so much easier than swapping into a bigger supercharger, lets face it the turbo after market is stronger than the supercharger one, the potential of this car will be unbelievable with the LNF!!

 

while i agree that the LNF is better than the LSJ with same displacement
i think you are way wrong on the others
oil piston squirters, oil coolers, sodium valves, ... the LSJ list goes on
some stuff even 40K cars dont have
The LSJ is a proven race engine, as is the original 2.2w/tons of mods


the only diff in the new 2.2 is the PCM and location of o2 sensors, the PCM is not like super advanced as you think, something our HPtuners discovered on FastPacedMotorsports car
but vvt has been around since early 90s with vtec, every manufacturer posses it even daewoo/hyundai/kia
LNF direct port, and LSJ super, not even close to what anyone else has

so LNF 2.0 turbo>LSJ 2.0 super>LE5 2.4 vvt > 07 L61 2.2 w/updated PCM > 05-06 L61 2.2 w/o SAi> L61 w/SAI> Quad 4

and LSxx > SRT...lol
and remember anyone can force feed a motor not everyone builds motors to be force fed like hungry monsters

my .02

 

Crap!! I'm gonna have to start upping my payments on my 07 2.2L. That way I can be at about 5K owed on the car by the time next September rolls around.

The only way that you don't get screwed in the trade is to have less money owed on the car than you get for the trade in.

 

did he say the 2.4's where better on gas then the 2.0's? cuz i beg to differ

 

I will more than likely be trading my balt in for a LNF balt. I am actually taking my forsale add off the site lol!

 

no lie i will probably start putting money away for it now so i can have a decent down payment

 

pretty much where im at now. 27k for a ss/sc becuasei broke a lease to get into a buy to own car =)

oh well no more leasing =D


but im happy with my sc in my car.

it would be nice for GM to have turbo upgrades for the sc users, like convert from sc to turbo and from turbo to sc. sure it should cost an assload but that would be a VERY nice option to have for all balt users.

 

I would like to change my opinion on the new L61 being better then the LSJ, I should have double checked my post. However, the LSJ is NOT better then the LE5 technology wise. The block the LE5 is more advanced then the LSJ in more ways then one, and although it may use cheaper materials on some components, there is no doubt that it is a better block/design incorporating more advanced technologies. The LE5 came out a good 1.5 years after the LSJ and he LNF is actually based on the LE5.

Edit: But yeah, I can agree on LSxx > SRT

 

doesnt the lnf also have vvt

 

Good Chance i will lol

 

Yeah. I bet with the LNF with VVT and staying out of boost, you could see easily 35mpg on the freeway and 25 city. Then strap on some boltons to free up the airflow, and 40mpg seems not that far off. And all of that out of a SRT4/MustangGT/STI/MS6/EVOX killer!!! I really hope the 260hp/260tq are wheel #'s.

I am so trading up.

 

not me i like my current cobalt. plus my dad has a substantial down payment to get one of the 1st camaros so ill beable to rock that out (he has had his order in for well over a year

 

If I wanted a stupid turbo I'd have bought an SRT or a GTI...

 

well since theres been all this talk about the engine getting changed up....... what about the spoiler? what would you all like to see happen with it?

 

no curve effect at the end of our spoilers

 

I say no spoiler. I will try to order my car that way.

But since I know GM probably won't do that, I will opt for the smallest one that they offer. I wouldn't mind a simple lip spoiler kinda like RKSport but maybe an inch less overhang.

 

Im Going To Trade In My 2.2l For A Lnf..