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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Supercharger Rattle/Rasp - Will this fix it?

Hi guys,
I'm looking at a M62 rebuild kit, it's pretty cheap and I want to try it first before buying a new M62 for a grand or so.

This is the kit:

M62 Upgraded Rebuild Kit (Coupler/Bearings Upgraded)

Basically, I just want to know how difficult it would be to install these myself (AND if this would most likely fix the issue)? I know the coupler is easy, it's the bearings I'm more worried about. If the bearings are a pain in the *ss, do you think a professional could do it for say under $300?

Thanks for any suggestions!
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 06:43 PM
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you can source a used m62 usually in decent shape on here for about that price of the rebuild kit.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 06:45 PM
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oh nevermind, not for 60 bucks i thought you meant 300 lmao. yea that stuff should set you on the right track, be sure to check out your blower rotors. is the black teflon coating in good shape? if you take them out, how does your rotor housing look? all scratched up? if thats all good then yeah the other stuff should put you on point.

when you put in new oil --- 3.4 OZ!
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by riceburner
oh nevermind, not for 60 bucks i thought you meant 300 lmao. yea that stuff should set you on the right track, be sure to check out your blower rotors. is the black teflon coating in good shape? if you take them out, how does your rotor housing look? all scratched up? if thats all good then yeah the other stuff should put you on point.

when you put in new oil --- 3.4 OZ!
Thank you, is this a professional-only job, or quite doable for the average How-To guy on here?

Thanks again!
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 06:48 PM
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Its a pain in the ars...It might fix the issue but not worth the time and effort unless you have the proper tools to do and have the know how, also you might have issues with the rotors.... I personally done and would not do it again lol...Like Mr. Rice said its better to buy a used one or try replacing the coupler first and re-grease the needle bearings and see if that helps.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SunburstSS
Its a pain in the ars...It might fix the issue but not worth the time and effort unless you have the proper tools to do and have the know how, also you might have issues with the rotors.... I personally done and would not do it again lol...Like Mr. Rice said its better to buy a used one or try replacing the coupler first and re-grease the needle bearings and see if that helps.
Of course, there's a risk the new one has the same issue. I probably will buy brand new since it's only $825 vs. $300. But thanks for the opinion, I appreciate knowing it's a pain in the butt.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 10:03 PM
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Check eBay or the forums for a low mileage m62. Shouldn't cost more than 200 bucks or so.
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 02:47 AM
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I have a used m62 in great shape. Rotors are clean and still have their coating. PM me or text 4403344386 if interested and we can talk price, I don't want anywhere near the $300 you were talking about.
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by riceburner
oh nevermind, not for 60 bucks i thought you meant 300 lmao. yea that stuff should set you on the right track, be sure to check out your blower rotors. is the black teflon coating in good shape? if you take them out, how does your rotor housing look? all scratched up? if thats all good then yeah the other stuff should put you on point.

when you put in new oil --- 3.4 OZ!
not teflon coating.... abradable coating

correct on the oil fill amount. never add 2 bottles like zzp recommends.
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Old Jan 26, 2015 | 12:55 PM
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Fixed

Turns out it wasn't the sc, but a broken flex pipe and messed up cat. Dealership replaced both for free, there's a warranty on these until 2016.

Thanks for hearing me out and helping!
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not teflon coating.... abradable coating

correct on the oil fill amount. never add 2 bottles like zzp recommends.
two bottles would be 8oz, the correct amount is 6oz per eaton and zzp, 3.4oz would be barely enough to even reach the bottom of the gears. On a level surface the oil level should be just below the fill port. These are the instructions eaton emailed me several years ago for the M45/62.

All Eaton superchargers (including aftermarket partner companies like Magnuson) use the same supercharger oil. It is called NYE 605 and can be purchased from any GM or Ford service parts distributor or dealership (usually known only as supercharger oil). The gasket between the 2 surfaces that will be broken when you disassemble it will also need to be replaced. You can use LocTite 510 (pink) liquid gasket for these 2 gaskets. Sometimes when you break the front cover seal, the seal between the next 2 surfaces stays intact and does not need replacement. That 2nd seal is only for air only so it’s less important.



You will have to remove the snout, drain the oil, replace the coupler, clean the seal surfaces with alcohol or some other solvent, let the surfaces dry, apply sealant around perimeter (make sure you go all around each bolt hole for a complete seal, and reassemble. Tighten and torque in a star type pattern. Re-fill with ~200ml (6.7oz) of oil. This should be the amount that comes up to the threads on the oil hole when the supercharger is on a flat table.



Torque on front cover (snout) bolts = 24-30 N-m (18-22 lb ft)

Torque on oil plug = 7-14 N-m (5-10 lb ft)
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
two bottles would be 8oz, the correct amount is 6oz per eaton and zzp, 3.4oz would be barely enough to even reach the bottom of the gears. On a level surface the oil level should be just below the fill port. These are the instructions eaton emailed me several years ago for the M45/62.

All Eaton superchargers (including aftermarket partner companies like Magnuson) use the same supercharger oil. It is called NYE 605 and can be purchased from any GM or Ford service parts distributor or dealership (usually known only as supercharger oil). The gasket between the 2 surfaces that will be broken when you disassemble it will also need to be replaced. You can use LocTite 510 (pink) liquid gasket for these 2 gaskets. Sometimes when you break the front cover seal, the seal between the next 2 surfaces stays intact and does not need replacement. That 2nd seal is only for air only so it’s less important.



You will have to remove the snout, drain the oil, replace the coupler, clean the seal surfaces with alcohol or some other solvent, let the surfaces dry, apply sealant around perimeter (make sure you go all around each bolt hole for a complete seal, and reassemble. Tighten and torque in a star type pattern. Re-fill with ~200ml (6.7oz) of oil. This should be the amount that comes up to the threads on the oil hole when the supercharger is on a flat table.



Torque on front cover (snout) bolts = 24-30 N-m (18-22 lb ft)

Torque on oil plug = 7-14 N-m (5-10 lb ft)
6.7oz lol no.

It's 3.4oz. I also spoke to an Eaton engineer about it. I pitty the people who listened to ZZP about the oil fill level. They are, and always have been incorrect. Sorry.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...94/index3.html

Below is the link that used to be on Eaton's website:

http://www.superchargersonline.com/i...age=page&id=58

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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Staged07SS
6oz lol no.

It's 3.4oz. Go on Eaton's site. It has the exact fill amounts for each of its blowers. I also spoke to an Eaton engineer about it as well. I pitty the people who listened to ZZP about the oil fill level.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...94/index3.html
I guess the eaton engineer I spoke to was intentionally trying to destroy my supercharger? Im on eatons website, where does it list the information, because all you posted was a link to someone on the forum screaming 3.4oz lol
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 01:34 PM
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Ill contact eaton tech support again, since the information I have was from 2 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
I guess the eaton engineer I spoke to was intentionally trying to destroy my supercharger? Im on eatons website, where does it list the information, because all you posted was a link to someone on the forum screaming 3.4oz lol
They no longer have it on the website, nor do they have any info about the M series blowers. I just checked.

I saved that link from back in the day when they had it on their site.

Did you read both links i provided??

The first is a thread on here about the correct fill amount, and the other is the link that used to be from Eatons site on oil fill amounts.

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Originally Posted by Staged07SS
They no longer have it on the website, nor do they have any info about the M series blowers. I just checked.

I saved that link from back in the day when they had it on their site.

Did you read both links i provided??

The first is a thread on here about the correct fill amount, and the other is the link that used to be from Eatons site on oil fill amounts.
I did, im going to contact eaton and re-verify the information again, because I find 3.4oz to be extremely low given the difference in size of the snout compared to the smaller snouts that require 6.4oz. 3.4oz wouldnt even be enough to properly lubricate the exposed bearing on the snout side let alone the oil being pulled up through the gears churning at 15,000rpm.
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OEM Application Rotor Type Oil Fill (fl oz)
Audi A6/S4 TVS / R1320 5.2
BMW / Mini 3-lobe / M45 4.9 + 1.4 (rear)
Mercedes M271 3-lobe / M45 4.6
Mercedes EVO M111 3-lobe / M45 3.7
Mercedes Clutched 3-lobe / M62 3.7
Ford 3-lobe / M24 1.2
Ford Super Coupe 3-lobe / M90 8.1
Ford Shelby GT500 3-lobe Hybrid / M122 4.7
Ford Harley-Davidson F150 3-lobe / M112 7.3
Ford Lightning 3-lobe / M112 7.3
Ford Cobra 3-lobe / M112 7.3
GM 3800 Series L67 3-lobe / M90 7.6
GM 3800 Series L32 3-lobe / M90 6.9
GM Cobalt SS LSJ 3-lobe / M62 3.4
GM Cadillac LS3 Northstar 3-lobe / M112 7.3
GM Cadillac LSA TVS / R1900 5.1
GM Corvette LS9 TVS / R2300 5.1
Jaguar AJ33 3-lobe / M112 7.3
Jaguar AJ43/44 3-lobe / M112 7.3
Jaguar AJ133 TVS / R1900 5.1
Nissan 3-lobe / M62 3.9
Volkswagen 3-lobe / M24 1.4
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I see it dude. lol
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
I did, im going to contact eaton and re-verify the information again, because I find 3.4oz to be extremely low given the difference in size of the snout compared to the smaller snouts that require 6.4oz. 3.4oz wouldnt even be enough to properly lubricate the exposed bearing on the snout side let alone the oil being pulled up through the gears churning at 15,000rpm.
You do not need to fill the whole snout.... don't let that fool you, nor is that the intentions of the Eaton engineers.

What I have posted is correct and was from eatons website. There is nothing to debate, but feel free to contact them.

Let me put it this way.... I completely drained my H62 and it had right around 3.4 oz or 100ml of fluid in the snout, and thats what I put back in.

It's been over 2 years since I did that, and many high rpm runs and no issues at all with my blower.

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I see it dude. lol
I posted that for anyone who cant view the link.

Kinda like how I cant see the pics you post. Got it?
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I'm not having a debate with you, relax. lol
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
I'm not having a debate with you, relax. lol
I'm perfectly calm. You would know if I needed to relax

Let me know what Eaton says.

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Originally Posted by Staged07SS
I'm perfectly calm. You would know if I needed to relax

Let me know what Eaton says.
Should be 100ML



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Kinda pissed off that I dumped an entire 6oz bottle in this thing per eaton's first recommendations and ZZP's refill instructions. Guess ill be getting a syringe to draw some of this **** out. I have a friend looking for the alldata instructions for GM's service procedure as well, im curious if that matches up with what eaton is saying. Don't know why ZZP would have people intentionally overfilling these things.
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Yeah, I don't get where zzp got their info from, but they need to update it for sure.
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Originally Posted by Staged07SS
Yeah, I don't get where zzp got their info from, but they need to update it for sure.
I find it very unusual because they are a direct supplier of eaton parts, I dont see why that information wouldnt be readily available to them. Unless there is something different in a GM service manual, but I dont have one on hand to reference, thats why im trying to see if I can get the information through a friend at a dealer.
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I think you can use Mobil 1 5w-30 in the blower instead of the sc oil which is the same thing.
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