No, here is a pic of their old style with the coating

 

Dan I am in for this header and dp. Need the rear o2 bung and it will hook up to my GMPP catback exhaust correct?

 

hey Dan i post your GB on RLF.com

 

would it be possible to make a full 3 inch downpipe instead of a 2.5 inch outlet?

 

hey Dan you need to make some stickers!! so i can rock them on the back of the Ion! here the link to red line forums.com minus the spaces! later!

 

im too lazy to read. the header is made of stainless right? and what size are the primaries?

 

Sorry for the delay everyone. It's been a very busy day. CHROMEX ceramic has NOT been applied to this new header yet. remember, we just built it the other day and got all the production set-up done this weekend. I just got back from the dyno with an 04 Ion 2.0 Supercharged with stage II (pulley and 42 lbs. injectors) and a cold air kit. Base numbers through stock manifold, stock down-pipe and stock exhaust were: 212.65 HP & 191.01 ft/lbs. SAE corrected.

We are waiting for the car to cool down and we will install our new header with down-pipe (no cat). Then back to the dyno for the after numbers. Vince of Trifecta is down at the dyno now with the 05 Ion we used to build the header on. We installed 60 lbs. injectors and changed the fuel filter earlier. Vince is doing custom dyno tuning. I should be back with this car by the time Vince is done with the first. After I get my after numbers, Vince will then dyno tune this car.

I'll post graphs/charts later tonight.

Also, the owner of both cars asked us about building a bracket to mount the auxiliary coolant tank. We didthat this morning. Actually, we made two so we can offer them to the rest of the community. I didn't realize a bracket was NOT included with the auxiliary tank. We solved that problem, looks bone stock just like it came from the factory. One of these guys also brought us another project. Something to do with modifying the intake... We will take a look at this tomorrow and see what we can do to solve this issue for you all.

To answer some of your questions above:

yes, we can do a 3" down-pipe without reducing it to 2 1/2"
We can do stainless down-pipe.

The primary size of the header being dyno tested today is 1 3/4". No, this header is not stainless steel, we use 14 gage (.083 wall) thick mild steel and can paint with hi-temp ceramic paint. I do suggest the CHROMEX ceramic coating. The ZZP header, with paint, we installed Thursday is already flaking. Our header will flake just the same with paint only protecting it.

Thanks for the link above.

Also, looks like I need to get some stickers going again. We have plenty of requests lately.

One last thing, yes, we can install the rear O2 bung in the cat delete down-pipe, but you will still need to have the O2 sensor turned off or you'll have a light. No performance problems, but a code will be stored and the light will be on.

More pictures, numbers, possibly videos of the dyno runs, etc coming later.

Thanks again everyone.

 

Here is a link to the thread i made as well with picture of before and after tune. I'm very satified with the way things went and 05Redlinin is mad at me...
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lsj-performance-tech-47/clear-image-header-downpipe-production-115059/

 

Looking forward to seeing the gains, bud.. It is all sounding very promising :P

 

Well, it was quite a busy but very productive day.

We sent two Saturn Ion's down to a shop in Auburn, WA called the Drift-Office. One was the 05 we used for the R&D of our Mid-length header/down-pipe and the other was an 04 we installed our first production header on.

The first car was a supercharged 2.0 with 60 lbs. injectors, new fuel filter, after market spark plugs, ZZP mid-length header, 1 1/2" primary tubes, with modified collector, (owner did not want the 2-bolt flat flange), custom 3" down-pipe (no cat), 2 1/2" resonator back exhaust with Magnaflow muffler and tip and a cold air intake. With custom tuning by Trifecta his best run was 225 HP, SAE corrected.

The second car was a supercharged 2.0 with 42 lbs. injectors, original fuel filter, original spark plugs, Clear Image Automotive mid-length header, 1 3/4" primary tubes, custom 3" down-pipe (no cat), stock exhaust from resonator back and cold air intake. With stock tuning his best run was 227.82 HP and 205.59 torque, SAE corrected.



Needless to say we are extrememly happy with the results of our new Mid-length header/down-pipe combination. Our customer gained a solid 15.17 HP & 14.58 ft/lbs. to the wheels. The 42 lbs. injectors were maxed at 95% duty cycle. In order for Vince of Trifecta to effectively tune this car, he would like to see 60 lbs. injectors and a new fuel filter installed. The owner of the dyno shop also suggests replacing the stock fuel pump with a 255 GPH Walbro pump. I agree as it's cheap insurance for roughly $100.00.

With the fuel issues worked out, a free-flowing exhaust from the resonator back, and further dyno tuning we all feel another 10 to 15 HP is a realistic goal.

Here's a couple new pictures of the header:




And here's one installed showing more than adequate clearance to the water tube. We are proud to say there are no issues with our header/down-pipe at all:


As it turns out, our 05 customer has asked us to build him one of our headers and replace his current header. We're more than happy to oblige him.

 

how big were the pulleys for each run?

bad comparison IMO. not the same injectors.... probably different pulley sizes and the zzp had smaller primaries. different exhaust as well. i love eating apples and oranges

 

wow. price is good. can we still get a catless with an 02 bung for those of us that have turned off the idiot light and want a wideband?

 

im the 05 and im runnin a 2.85 and the guy with the 04 runs stock stg2

 

who ran with zzp? who had the clear image. your giving me 50percent again

 

im interested

 

I am the one who ran with the modified zzp...




here are my dyno # my MODS are in my sig...



and sorry about writing big some people just cant or dont wanna read......

if u want more pics of my exhaust let me know.

 

if i ordered just the header, could u guys sell me the downpipe socket so i can weld it to my current 3" downpipe??? (i would imagine so.. just asking lol)

 

obviously your not sorry or you wouldnt have done it.....

and you dynoed less than a guy with a stock stag2 pulley??? wtf is wrong with your car

 

Yeah everything is explained in previous posts if you read them.

 

Dunno about explained in previous posts, but.. That is really low for your mods, bro.. Do not know what to tell ya. I have a redline too and if I dyno'd that with those mods.. i would be pissed..

I hitting up the Dyno on Thursday and seeing what I will grab.

 

Yes, we can ship a female end of the ball socket connection with your header order, to be connected to your existing DP

 

I was mad but its ok the tuner was.sayin I was gettin knock probly cuz of the fuel quality around here. Ya I kno I meant it cuz if ud read the tread u would kno all u need 2. Ya I'm goin 2 redyno maybe next week with the new header,2.9 pulley and stock plugs

 

you a step colder iridiums and a new tune. sorry brotha but I agree with him, I would be hella pissed at those numbers

 

Cool ima b gettin in touch with u guys real soon to place an order.

 

Pulley sizes have been posted by both owners.

As far as the comparison: Consider there are two different sets of data.

1. Our sole purpose yesterday was to use a single vehicle to compare a stock manifold/down-pipe to our header/down-pipe. Nothing else. Same car, same day, same dyno, same dyno operator, same fuel, same exhaust, same intake, etc. The only change was the manifold/down-pipe swap. The dyno chart I posted reflects exactly that change only; 04 car before swap and the same 04 car after the swap. So this test was truly an "apples to apples" comparison.

2. We were not comparing our header to the ZZP header. We were comparing different primary tube sizes. Honestly, I told our 05 customer, it was NOT a fair comparison between headers because his primary tubes are 1 1/2" and ours are 1 3/4". 1 3/4" are much better suited to a supercharged application. What this comparison did prove is exactly that. It was an opportunity to see how a particular primary tube size works with a supercharged engine. So you are correct in saying the comparison between the different vehicles was not fair.

My speculation, before any dyno tests were done yesterday, was the car with the 1 3/4" primary tube headers, would make more power. My own personal conclusion is this: 1 1/2" primary tube headers, regardless of manufacturer, are actually choking the supercharged engine down just as much as the stock manifold.

We look forward to getting a 1 3/4" primary tube header on our customers 05 next week. This should allow his engine to flow much better.